Quote from: afer1500 on March 04, 2008, 08:29:22 PMI disagree Peaches. But fair enough. I'm going to do what I think is best that'll be that. Good luck the rest of the semester.You're trying to mislead a lot of people. Regardless of whether you're doing what you want or not, you're working a job that you likely could have gotten out of high school.It's like getting a masters degree specifically to work at Starbucks; sure, you can do it, but you would be very overqualified.
I disagree Peaches. But fair enough. I'm going to do what I think is best that'll be that. Good luck the rest of the semester.
I was offered a job in a city about 35-45 minutes away. Small firm, salary is 10 per hour. I'll be taking over for the paralegal (and his duties) all summer long (leaving to take the bar)he does all the paperwork for immigration, juvenile court, etc. I'll also be translating at court on certain days, and some other clerk work. They've offered 10 dollars per hour w/ a review at 90 days for a possible raise. The owner guaranteed position when I graduate and pass the bar (salary unknown). I'll also have work on a p/t basis during the fall of next year and whenever I'm free. I'm top 25% at T4. The salary is imo insanely low and I'm wondering if I should counter, further is it appropriate to make a counter offer at this stage in the game. I think I'm probably the top candidate from either of the two schools near the firm because I can speak and write in Spanish which is the firms main clientèle and really no one in these area seems to speak or write spanish. Advice appreciated.
Quote from: GoGoPogo on March 04, 2008, 07:40:57 PMQuote from: sir_scott on March 04, 2008, 07:35:33 PMI still want to make a counter just because I know that a few of the positions I have lined up pay atleast 12-15 per hour and I think one of those will pan out.After hearing all the wisdom of your peers, I still think that is the right move. I think it can be done with tact. And, I think it can be done without conditioning acceptance of employment on the add'l $5/hr. That is, "I accept, but how do you feel about $15/hr." They may counter w/ $12/hr, in which case you are better off. From the firm's perspective: Paying you $15 is still a deal over the prior paralegal, especially if they are investing in your future, and acquiring someone w/your Spanish skills.You think $15 is a deal for the firm to get a T4 grad when there are countless other T2,3,4 people without jobs? Even in this thread, people are complaining that they are either finding no work or taking unpaid things.Honestly, I think if OP asks for a 50% raise, they will shoot him down.That would be like me calling the firm I'm going to be working for this summer and telling them that $2,600/week isn't enough, I need $3,900 or else! Preposterous. I don't really look at it like that at all. I look at it like this:I'm a motived person w/ a BA capable of taking over for someone in a market that doesn't have many Spanish speakers. Being from a T4 doesn't matter to this firm, they respect my law school. This isn't about prestige its about doing what is right for your self. There are too many people in this forum who just undervalue themselves and that lack of confidence is precisely what is hurting them in interviews.If you go into thinking you are only worth 10 dollars per hour you'll end up getting paid 5.50 or not get a job at all. Everyone in Law School is successful, they've completed a degree. They can ride and write well, these are not marginal people, HAVE SOME PRIDE FOR GODS SAKE! 10 bones an hour is a joke to offer a college graduate.
Quote from: sir_scott on March 04, 2008, 07:35:33 PMI still want to make a counter just because I know that a few of the positions I have lined up pay atleast 12-15 per hour and I think one of those will pan out.After hearing all the wisdom of your peers, I still think that is the right move. I think it can be done with tact. And, I think it can be done without conditioning acceptance of employment on the add'l $5/hr. That is, "I accept, but how do you feel about $15/hr." They may counter w/ $12/hr, in which case you are better off. From the firm's perspective: Paying you $15 is still a deal over the prior paralegal, especially if they are investing in your future, and acquiring someone w/your Spanish skills.You think $15 is a deal for the firm to get a T4 grad when there are countless other T2,3,4 people without jobs? Even in this thread, people are complaining that they are either finding no work or taking unpaid things.Honestly, I think if OP asks for a 50% raise, they will shoot him down.That would be like me calling the firm I'm going to be working for this summer and telling them that $2,600/week isn't enough, I need $3,900 or else! Preposterous.
I still want to make a counter just because I know that a few of the positions I have lined up pay atleast 12-15 per hour and I think one of those will pan out.After hearing all the wisdom of your peers, I still think that is the right move. I think it can be done with tact. And, I think it can be done without conditioning acceptance of employment on the add'l $5/hr. That is, "I accept, but how do you feel about $15/hr." They may counter w/ $12/hr, in which case you are better off. From the firm's perspective: Paying you $15 is still a deal over the prior paralegal, especially if they are investing in your future, and acquiring someone w/your Spanish skills.
Hell yes! Those T4's that think they are such "hot sh-t," I mean come on! So, obnoxious, right?Only thing worse are those people that will never love anyone more than themselves. Peaches, I bet you can't help but make out with a mirror - irresistible! mmmmm-tongue-mmmm smoochy smoochy mmmmm - peachy i luv u - mmmmm
QuoteHell yes! Those T4's that think they are such "hot sh-t," I mean come on! So, obnoxious, right?Only thing worse are those people that will never love anyone more than themselves. Peaches, I bet you can't help but make out with a mirror - irresistible! mmmmm-tongue-mmmm smoochy smoochy mmmmm - peachy i luv u - mmmmmAre you adding anything to the discussion? Nothing on the fourth tier, but it's objectively harder to get a high-paying job (or any decent paying legal job at all) out of the fourth tier because their graduates are objectively less desirable. One of my parents graduated from a fourth tier law school and barely broke even for the first two years out. Now moderately successful, but it 25 years to make it. Chances are, if you start at the fourth tier you'll be working your way up, and getting legal experience at $10/hour for a summer with a potential job after graduation sounds like an OK way to start. It's not self-love... it's reality. Do you think the OP is freaking fantastic with a BA, a fourth tier law school, and Spanish? Wow, what a killer combination!
Wow, bitter much? Just checked out your posts. You sound like you're doing really well! Maybe I should follow your advice and study 8+ hours a day so that I can make $15 an hour! That will show them what I'm really worth! I'm sure I'll blow away the competition, with my bachelor's degree, Spanish language skills, and misguided confidence.
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