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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2008, 03:54:48 PM »
Women enter with identical grades to their male counterparts but leave with lower ones; experience a greater negative shift in their desire to use their degrees in the public interest; and are especially alienated by the teaching methods, particularly Socratic teaching, at law school. What becomes apparent is a poignant story about the insidious effects of gendered stratification in law school "socialization" -- the educational strategies of law school sustain hierarchy, legitimate inequity in the name of merit, and yield serious, adverse consequences for many women. Legal education assaults you as a woman. Other women are assaulted but do not even know it, and there are still others, be they women law students or women legal academics, who actually help to bolster the battery of other women.

Please explain. Your intriguing hypothesis begs for support by means of example, or at least further rhetoric. I don't see how law school treats women differently than men.

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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2008, 04:18:43 PM »
Women enter with identical grades to their male counterparts but leave with lower ones; experience a greater negative shift in their desire to use their degrees in the public interest; and are especially alienated by the teaching methods, particularly Socratic teaching, at law school. What becomes apparent is a poignant story about the insidious effects of gendered stratification in law school "socialization" -- the educational strategies of law school sustain hierarchy, legitimate inequity in the name of merit, and yield serious, adverse consequences for many women. Legal education assaults you as a woman. Other women are assaulted but do not even know it, and there are still others, be they women law students or women legal academics, who actually help to bolster the battery of other women.

blah blah blah.  These kinds of posts make me want to puke.
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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2008, 04:21:11 PM »
Women enter with identical grades to their male counterparts but leave with lower ones; experience a greater negative shift in their desire to use their degrees in the public interest; and are especially alienated by the teaching methods, particularly Socratic teaching, at law school. What becomes apparent is a poignant story about the insidious effects of gendered stratification in law school "socialization" -- the educational strategies of law school sustain hierarchy, legitimate inequity in the name of merit, and yield serious, adverse consequences for many women. Legal education assaults you as a woman. Other women are assaulted but do not even know it, and there are still others, be they women law students or women legal academics, who actually help to bolster the battery of other women.

Please explain. Your intriguing hypothesis begs for support by means of example, or at least further rhetoric. I don't see how law school treats women differently than men.

How can you be so blind?  It is so OBVIOUS, if you have a vagina, and your professor puts you on the spot in front of the class or if you don't score as well as your peers, then it just plain hurts worse.  Whereas if you have a penis, you are invincible to the meritocracy of law school.  Get a clue!

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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2008, 05:14:30 PM »
I feel enlightened.  I never knew that the professor's personal views of women were reflected in the blind grading of exams.

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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2008, 06:07:22 PM »
Women enter with identical grades to their male counterparts but leave with lower ones; experience a greater negative shift in their desire to use their degrees in the public interest; and are especially alienated by the teaching methods, particularly Socratic teaching, at law school. What becomes apparent is a poignant story about the insidious effects of gendered stratification in law school "socialization" -- the educational strategies of law school sustain hierarchy, legitimate inequity in the name of merit, and yield serious, adverse consequences for many women. Legal education assaults you as a woman. Other women are assaulted but do not even know it, and there are still others, be they women law students or women legal academics, who actually help to bolster the battery of other women.

Please explain. Your intriguing hypothesis begs for support by means of example, or at least further rhetoric. I don't see how law school treats women differently than men.

How can you be so blind?  It is so OBVIOUS, if you have a vagina, and your professor puts you on the spot in front of the class or if you don't score as well as your peers, then it just plain hurts worse.  Whereas if you have a penis, you are invincible to the meritocracy of law school.  Get a clue!

It just plain hurts worse? Forgive my apparent blindness, but being put on the spot is tough for everyone, even me and my dangling penis. How is the situation different for women than for men?

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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2008, 09:43:33 PM »
Few women have managed to "have it all" and still reach the top ranks at law firms. I wonder if it can be done. Female law associates do not like the inequities, but it seems there is little they can do to improve the situation, other than keep trying to rise through the ranks and change the system from within. The dinosaurs still run the show and most just think women are not up to being partners.

Women are placed in assignments destined to be failures because of lack of management and peer support. Many women try but after an assignment or two assess the career as a losing battle and move elsewhere. There is a widespread belief that those who complain about unequal treatment or harassment will create career advancement problems for themselves. Decisions about which good cases will go to which associates are made behind close management doors. Many times female associates are simply not even under consideration. There is a natural tendency for male managers to see themselves reflected in the young, ambitious male associates, and remember when they were starting out and hungry. Female associates are usually only considered as an afterthought.

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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2008, 03:11:48 PM »

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Palin's Opponents Being Fixated on Her Wardrobe" and "Deliberately Sexist"
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2008, 07:37:52 PM »
Palin and Hasselbeck blast 'ridiculous' wardrobe story

TAMPA, Florida (CNN) Ensuring that news of the RNC's sartorial spending spree will remain in the headlines for at least one more news cycle, Sarah Palin on Sunday sounded off on the $150,000 wardrobe that was purchased for her in September, denouncing the report as "ridiculous" and declaring emphatically: "Those clothes, they are not my property." A senior adviser to John McCain told CNN's Dana Bash that the comments about her wardrobe "were not the remarks we sent to her plane this morning." Palin did not discuss the wardrobe story at her rally in Kissimmee later in the day. But in Tampa, Palin happily broached the clothing issue after being introduced by "The View" co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who accused Palin's opponents of being "fixated on her wardrobe" and "deliberately sexist."

That opened the door for Palin to weigh in on a topic that has frustrated the candidate and her advisers since the story first broke 5 days ago. "This whole thing with the wardrobe, you know I have tried to just ignore it because it is so ridiculous, but I am glad now that Elisabeth brought it up, cause it gives me an opportunity without the filter of the media to get to tell you the whole clothes thing," she said. "Those clothes, they are not my property. Just like the lighting and the staging and everything else that the RNC purchased, I'm not taking them with me. I am back to wearing my own clothes from my favorite consignment shop in Anchorage, Alaska. You'd think not that I would even have to address the issue because, as Elisabeth is suggesting, the double standard here it's gosh, we don't even want to waste our time."

Palin, however, forged on.

"I am glad, though, that she brought up accessories also. Let me tell you a little bit about a couple of accessories, didn't think that we would be talking about it, but my earrings I see a Native Americans for Palin poster," she said. "These are beaded earrings from Todd's mom who is a Yupik Eskimo up in Alaska, Native American, Native Alaskan. "And my wedding ring, it's in Todd's pocket, 'cause it hurts sometimes when I shake hands and it gets squished," she continued. "A $35 wedding ring from Hawaii that I bought myself and 'cause I always thought with my ring it's not what it's made of, it's what it represents, and 20 years later, happy to wear it. And then finally the other accessory, you bet I'm a gold I'm a blue star mom. I'm wearing this in honor of my son who is fighting over in Iraq right now defending all of you."

After spending four minutes on the shopping escapade, Palin switched gears and trained her sights on Barack Obama, who, she said, is prematurely measuring the White House drapes. "Barack Obama and I, we both have spent quite some time on the basketball court," she said. "But where I come from, you have to win the game before you start cutting down the nets." Palin accused the Democrat of renting a stadium for a victory party on November 4. That's actually not the case Obama's rally on election night will be held outdoors in Grant Park in downtown Chicago. "They've overlooked though the minor detail of earning your confidence and your trust and winning your votes," she said.

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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2008, 02:21:01 AM »
To the OP--I think you will have a hard time proving your thesis. 

After LS, however, is another story.  At a particularly memorable V10 recruiting event, one male partner got drunk and kept making terrible jokes about how he hated his wife... and looking the female law students up and down.  He eventually leaned over to a guy in our group and said, "Where can I see some [feline word for female genitalia]?"

A female partner at one of my summer firms told me she left her former V20 law firm when a female colleague failed to make partner.  The woman had recently had a child.  In reference to her recent birth, a partner told her that she "obviously had no loyalty to the firm" and was not acting in the firm's best interests.
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Re: Outbreak of Flagrant Sexism :: Law Professor and Student Body
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2008, 06:14:53 PM »