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jascot

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Random Application Question
« on: February 05, 2008, 06:05:33 PM »
I sent my GULC application in last week, and this week CALI awards (highest grade in course) were announced. I did not list on my resume that I won 2 awards, should I send in a new resume or e-mail the admissions office?

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Re: Random Application Question
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 07:38:33 PM »
I would send an updated resume, w/ a brief cover letter explaining why the update is necessary.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 08:34:26 PM »
I am in the same situation as you.  I applied to GULC and have been told by professors that I received the highest grade in the class but CALI awards haven't been officially announced.

I was planning on doing what the previous poster mentioned.  Just send a cover letter stating why you are sending the letter with and updated resume.

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Re: Random Application Question
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2008, 08:55:49 AM »
Why does CALI give out awards for getting the highest grade in a course? My school doesn't give them out and I've never understood their significance. If you got the highest grade in a course, then you received an "A" - I just don't see how an award adds to that. Does the person who received the second-highest grade in your class get an award? Why not? The difference between first and second is usually negligible so why does only one student get an award?

Similarly, who cares about Dean's List? Its an arbitrary benchmark.  I've been on Dean's List the past three semesters but I could care less - My class rank and GPA are the only things that matter.

While I'm at it, some of the awards law schools have are worthless as well. If you're #1 in your class and you get some award for being #1 in your class, does that make you a better candidate than the other schmos who were #1 in their class but didn't receive an award for the same achievement. Don't get me wrong, the awards that recognize other achievements that aren't factored into a GPA, such as "Best Oral Argument" or "Outstanding Contribution to Public Service" are completely valid. It's just the "double dipping" that has never made sense to me.

I guess my point, which is where my rant will finally end, is that the CALI awards probably won't make a difference to your application. Of course, I would probably send an updated resume w/ a brief cover letter as well but I suffer from hypocrisy.

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Re: Random Application Question
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2008, 12:36:59 PM »
Why does CALI give out awards for getting the highest grade in a course? My school doesn't give them out and I've never understood their significance. If you got the highest grade in a course, then you received an "A" - I just don't see how an award adds to that. Does the person who received the second-highest grade in your class get an award? Why not? The difference between first and second is usually negligible so why does only one student get an award?

Similarly, who cares about Dean's List? Its an arbitrary benchmark.  I've been on Dean's List the past three semesters but I could care less - My class rank and GPA are the only things that matter.

While I'm at it, some of the awards law schools have are worthless as well. If you're #1 in your class and you get some award for being #1 in your class, does that make you a better candidate than the other schmos who were #1 in their class but didn't receive an award for the same achievement. Don't get me wrong, the awards that recognize other achievements that aren't factored into a GPA, such as "Best Oral Argument" or "Outstanding Contribution to Public Service" are completely valid. It's just the "double dipping" that has never made sense to me.

I guess my point, which is where my rant will finally end, is that the CALI awards probably won't make a difference to your application. Of course, I would probably send an updated resume w/ a brief cover letter as well but I suffer from hypocrisy.

Of all the things to be pissed about in law school, this is a pretty stupid one to get worked up about.

Depending on the curve and class size, there can be 5-10 As in a given class. To be at the top of the heap with an A is impressive, but to be the best of that select group is hella impressive. Graduating in the top 10% of your class is amazing, graduating as valedictorian is something truly special. Same deal here.
Consider the Tom Cruise/Val Kilmer classic, Top Gun. They were the best of the best of naval aviators. Tom Selick, call-sign Viper, made them even better. Despite that, only one pilot/RIO pair could win the coveted Top Gun Trophy.

Your reasoning also sucks. Of course the difference between #1 and #2 will be small and arbitrary. Tell me your accepted "Best Oral Advocate" award is not also pretty arbitrary in terms of judge scoring sheets. Law school grading is 100% arbitrary, why get worked up with some arbitrary formality added to the mix?

You must be a pain in the ass to play sports/compete athletically. "Why give that guy a gold medal because he won the race? He knows he won the race, isn't that enough?"


Dean's List is just a formal recognition for those in the top 11-33% of the class. Same as Order of the Coif is just a formal nod to those who made it in the Top 10%. You'll never see an attorney bio that actually lists class rank or GPA but you will see Latin Honors, Deans List/Coif, etc. It's a classier way to indicate success than being a number dropping bag of feminine hygiene product.



To the OP:
Absolutely inform GULC of your CALIs. I would resubmit your resume to the Committee. CALI Awards are like being an academic Highlander: there can only be one.

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Re: Random Application Question
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2008, 10:19:21 PM »
Let's be careful with the misinformation...

It's Tom Skerritt, not Tom Selick.  I mean, c'mon. 

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Re: Random Application Question
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 12:25:02 AM »

Of all the things to be pissed about in law school, this is a pretty stupid one to get worked up about.

Depending on the curve and class size, there can be 5-10 As in a given class. To be at the top of the heap with an A is impressive, but to be the best of that select group is hella impressive. Graduating in the top 10% of your class is amazing, graduating as valedictorian is something truly special. Same deal here.
Consider the Tom Cruise/Val Kilmer classic, Top Gun. They were the best of the best of naval aviators. Tom Selick, call-sign Viper, made them even better. Despite that, only one pilot/RIO pair could win the coveted Top Gun Trophy.

Your reasoning also sucks. Of course the difference between #1 and #2 will be small and arbitrary. Tell me your accepted "Best Oral Advocate" award is not also pretty arbitrary in terms of judge scoring sheets. Law school grading is 100% arbitrary, why get worked up with some arbitrary formality added to the mix?

You must be a pain in the ass to play sports/compete athletically. "Why give that guy a gold medal because he won the race? He knows he won the race, isn't that enough?"


Dean's List is just a formal recognition for those in the top 11-33% of the class. Same as Order of the Coif is just a formal nod to those who made it in the Top 10%. You'll never see an attorney bio that actually lists class rank or GPA but you will see Latin Honors, Deans List/Coif, etc. It's a classier way to indicate success than being a number dropping bag of feminine hygiene product.

Dude, I'm not really pissed about these things.  I actually benefit from them because I get to put all that crap on my resume.  My point, which you haven't grasped, is that some of the "double-dipping" awards get a little ridiculous. The difference between being first in your class and an award, such as "Best Oral Advocate" is that the award gives you recognition you would not otherwise have (also, you contradict yourself by saying being #1 in your class is "hella impressive" and then saying later that law school grading is 100% arbitrary.)

And your gold medal analogy doesn't fit with what I'm saying. I have no problem with giving the feminine hygiene product a gold medal, but if you gave him a gold medal and then a blue medal, wouldn't that strike you as odd? Wouldn't the one gold medal be enough? Would the headlines in his hometown newspaper next day read, "Douchey McDouchebaggums Wins the Gold AND the Blue!!!" 

I agree that Latin honors serve a purpose (which is why I didn't list it in my rant) because you can throw it on your bio, but dean's list? Come on. I wouldn't be surprised if some people put that on their bios but that is still pretty lame. If you have Latin honors, then you should be on dean's list, why list both?