You say that professors who graduated from aba schools wouldnt teach at non-aba schools. There are many flaws with that. For starters then why are graduates from high level regionally accredited schools like harvard teaching at online nationally accredited colleges such as calcoast U? That alone should prove some points.
Link please? And I didn't say they DON'T teach there, I said they were unlikely to consider teaching there. As in their preferred institution would be aba-approved. As in there is a preference for employers, which you cannot refute because it is a truth.
As for the average joe careing about aba, give me a break. All that counts is results, and let me tell you why in real world examples. Most people who have CDL's get them from truck driving schools, but some get a "TIP" and learn at under a friend without schooling. My friend got his CDL that way. At first NO ONE would hire him without schooling due to limited experience. I payed for the school, and found that he was able to get hired in quicker than me at that point, becuase even though I had the school he had found a place to hire him for awhile at a low wage for experience and after that experience spoke louder than a diploma from a school.
Completely irrelevant. An educated customer is the best customer. Deal with it. Allow me to offer a more relevant and accurate "real world" example...
You get into a car accident and need body work done. While looking for shops, you come across two with wildly varying rate structures. One shop has employees that are all trained and certified by a governing body. All the people who do the body work attended an accredited body repair school. They quote you $1000 to do the work. The other shop is staffed by a guy who took an on-line correspondence course in body repair and quotes you $500. Which body shop do you go to?
If a lawyer wins cases for his clients, they give "word of mouth" and they keep coming in. You may have to tighten that belt for a few years while proving yourself, but you will prove it. Also, if an ABA lawyer wants $100 an hour and blue coller Joe cant afford it, he may want it, but wont get it, period. If you offer him it at $50 an hour, he will take what he can afford if he really needs it. Walmart sells stuff way cheaper than other stores yet has a higher profit due to bulk sales. You may want to drive a BMW but if you cant afford it then you will drive a geo to get around, dispite your thoughts on what you'd prefer if you weren't who you are. Period.
Mmmm. Lovely scenario you have built up. Tell me, how many attorneys fit your description? $100 an hour? Yeah. Right. "According to recent article in the National Law Journal, last year, 119 of the nation's 300 largest law firms provided billing rate information for the NLJ's annual survey. Among firms reporting average and median rates in both 2006 and 2007, average firmwide billing rates increased from $321 to $348 per hour last year, with the median rate jumping from $324 to $347 per hour."http://wagelaw.typepad.com/wage_law/2008/01/average-billing.html
But anyway.... Cheaper, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAWYER WORLD, does not always mean better. My brother is a practicing attorney and he just RAISED his rates. He was working with a group that specializes in marketing lawyers in his speciality. They asked him what he was charging and they laughed at him. They gave him the phone number of an area attorney who was charging 30% more and he called. The attorney told him what he charged. Shocked, my brother asked him how much business walks out of the attorney's door and his response was "less than 10%. I'm so busy, I have to refer a ton of business." My brother decided to raise his rates and quote 30% higher for a month to test the concept out. Guess what? The first three times he quoted his price, the client wrote a check on the spot. He remains at the higher rate, noted no decrease in business, and now makes MORE MONEY for the same work.
The moral of the story, which I realize you are free to ignore, is that like every other sale, pricing too low SHOULD and DOES cause suspicion. Pricing properly leaves the client with a degree of confidence that he isn't dealing with a moron who is going to lose the case because he knows he isn't worth more money. Attitude is a big part of lawyering.
That said, feel free to bust your ass while charging half what other attorney's charge hoping that the low rent, low class clientele you earn provide you with referrals. What a bunch of nonsense.
If no non-aba lawyers can find work, then why do they? Why dont they all strave to death or committ group suicide? Tell me why if you know so much about it.
Jeebus - I NEVER SAID that no non-aba law school graduates find work. I was merely pointing out an obvious issue that comes from attending non-aba law schools, which you have clearly chosen to either ignore or excuse. Sure, you can find work. But so far, you haven't really sold me on the idea of attending a non-aba law school if I can get into an aba-approved one (which I have).
Your pro's are:
-It is cheaper
-You can charge your clients less
-Your clients will be too stupid to realize or care that you went to a school that isn't accredited by the ABA
-You can earn less for longer
and your negatives are:
-you don't seem to see any
what a salesman.
If non-aba is so bad, then why do other starts also have non-aba program in some other states also.(Its not just Cali if you actually look it up). Tell me that too while your at it.
Ok. I will. Of the 50 states that make up this, the greatest country in the world - The United States of America, only
allow you to SIT FOR THE BAR. Each of those states have a reputation for having three kinds of lawyers:
And the fun doesn't end there, either:
Your law degree from a non-aba approved law school allows you to sit for the bar in one state only. Period. And I am fairly certain that no other state will honor your license, particularly the 43 states that don't allow graduates from non-aba approved law schools sit from the bar. I'm fairly certain that states that DO allow you to sit for the bar (of which there are seven) won't even allow you to petition to practice without taking their bar exam first. This means that if you want to move, you are limited to states that don't have an aba law school requirement (seven states), and then you have to take their states bar exam.
Enjoy that. Nothing is more fun than deciding to move and having to take the bar exam again. And I know you wish to ignore this, but statistically speaking, lawyers from non-aba approved law schools have to take the bar multiple times to pass.
Sounds like awesome.
I will say it ONE MORE TIME: enjoy law school. I wish you well. I'm confident that you will make the most of your non-aba approved program. You should know that there are issues that may arise later, which you either don't care about or refuse to recognize. There are options: for instance, you could transfer into an aba approved law school and take a requisite number of credits there and not have this issue slapping you around for the rest of your life.