Thomas Cooley vs. Nova Southeastern

[juliemccoy]

NYU, Penn, Fordham and St Johns are also on this list of schools in the student loan scandal. Would you suggest that people do not apply to these schools?

Nova is a good school if you are applying to a T4. It has an excellent reputation in South Florida.

[sjminflorida]

Nova Southeastern University

Big Debt – Little Results

May 9, 2007

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:

Nova Southeastern is the sixth largest universities in the country and the leading school lender involved in the Federal Family Education Loan Program (FFELP). Nova also has close ties to several private lenders now under investigation. Interestingly, Nova student borrowers now incur some of the highest levels of debt in the nation.

BIG DEBT

 In 2007, US News & World Report ranked Nova # 10 in the nation for undergraduate
debt.

 The average debt of 2005 Nova grads was more then $10,000 above the Florida
average.

 Nova Medical school grads finish with debt nearly $30,000 above the national average.

Little Results:

Despite the high level of debt that Nova students incur, the university consistently ranks at the bottom of nearly every academic category:

 US News ranked both Nova’s undergraduate program and law school 4th tier, or
bottom 25% of national universities.

 According to data Nova released under the Federal Student Right-to-Know Act, only
47% of full-time freshmen who started at Nova in 2000 received a bachelor’s degree
within 6 years.

 Nova’s H. Wayne Huizenga School of Business, is not accredited by the AACSB
(although 15 other Florida universities received accreditation)

 Ron Matus of the St. Petersburg Times reported that only 48% of Nova grads passed the bar this past February, lowest in the state (88% of FSU grads and 94% of FIU grads, who pay two thirds less than Nova law students, passed).

[Blunderbuss]

Man, oh man!  I know Nova is a crappy school, I didn't know it is SOOOOO crappy.  Damn!

[CoxlessPair]

This thread is flame. No one is that dense to think a student at NS or Cooley has a snowballs' chance in hell at a federal clerkship.   

[lawfirmaddict]

You can get an idea of what schools clerks attended last year at http://lawclerkaddict.blogspot.com/.

[Blunderbuss]

This thread is flame. No one is that dense to think a student at NS or Cooley has a snowballs' chance in hell at a federal clerkship.   

Wrong, I actually worked with one such person.

[juliemccoy]

Nova Southeastern University

Big Debt – Little Results

May 9, 2007

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:

Nova Southeastern is the sixth largest universities in the country and the leading school lender involved in the Federal Family Education Loan Program (FFELP). Nova also has close ties to several private lenders now under investigation. Interestingly, Nova student borrowers now incur some of the highest levels of debt in the nation.

BIG DEBT

 In 2007, US News & World Report ranked Nova # 10 in the nation for undergraduate
debt.

 The average debt of 2005 Nova grads was more then $10,000 above the Florida
average.

 Nova Medical school grads finish with debt nearly $30,000 above the national average.

Little Results:

Despite the high level of debt that Nova students incur, the university consistently ranks at the bottom of nearly every academic category:

 US News ranked both Nova’s undergraduate program and law school 4th tier, or
bottom 25% of national universities.

 According to data Nova released under the Federal Student Right-to-Know Act, only
47% of full-time freshmen who started at Nova in 2000 received a bachelor’s degree
within 6 years.

 Nova’s H. Wayne Huizenga School of Business, is not accredited by the AACSB
(although 15 other Florida universities received accreditation)

 Ron Matus of the St. Petersburg Times reported that only 48% of Nova grads passed the bar this past February, lowest in the state (88% of FSU grads and 94% of FIU grads, who pay two thirds less than Nova law students, passed).

Is there a source for this? I'm not trying to make Nova out to be anything it isn't, but it is considered a very good school in South Florida. If you live in Ft. Laud or Miami, people think highly of those attending Nova for graduate programs. It still has a good local reputation and if you want to be a lawyer in South Florida and you're looking at a T3/T4 program, Nova is a better choice than an out of state T3-4 school.

[sjminflorida]

1 - in 1999 and 2004 Nova had to repay the federal government 4.2 million dollars for billing errors and when an investigation was being conducted, Nova was said to be uncooperative.  This has to do with programs that they administer for Medicaid and medicare (our tax dollars).

2 - The Broward County Commissioners are proposing to slash their funding for the dual use library by 515,920 because of lack of accountability on public usage.  The County Attorney said they destroyed documents that would have supported public usage (again, misuse of our tax dollars).

3 - Nova has taken out bonds to fund all of the new construction that has happened on the campus, these bonds are tax-exempt.  There is ceertain criteria you have for these bonds and because Nova has failed to meet certain criteria they had to place a first mortgage on the new Business building. (lack of accountability)

4 - Nova has been subpoenaed by the New York AG and is being investigated by the Florida AG in regards to the student loan scandal.

I could go on and on but the fact remains that Nova Southeastern University has a terrible reputation in South Florida and it is going to get worse.  Why would and undergrad attend a school that is 4th tier at the price that NSU charges?  Why would a law student attend their law school when it is considered 4th tier and only 48% passed the bar last year?  Why wouls someone attend their Business school when it's accredidation is sub-par? 

I have been doing research on this school and have documentation to support all of these claims and would be happy to provide it to anyone interested, especially if you are thinking of attending this school.  I do not want to see students getting ripped off by this university when they do not give a damn about the students and improving the quality of education that they provide.  All that they care about is expansion.

[HRoark81]

You worked with someone who had a federal appellate clerkship?  Or a federal district court?  Or a bankruptcy/magistrate/administrative court?

[Blunderbuss]

You worked with someone who had a federal appellate clerkship?  Or a federal district court?  Or a bankruptcy/magistrate/administrative court?

No, I meant I worked with someone who's attending Nova and wanted to clerk for CoA.  Whether she will get one, only God knows.