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rider06

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Possibiility of working with FBI?
« on: July 09, 2007, 04:10:43 PM »
Anyone here have experience with the FBI?  How could I use my law degree there?  I think I could be a valuable asset because I am fluent in Arabic...

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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2007, 04:16:20 PM »
Law students always have opinions...

I suggest contacting the FBI and asking them.  There are positions other than Special Agent which could be filled.   
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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2007, 04:24:03 PM »
In regards to the Special Agent position, it is a LONG and tiresome application process. I submitted an application about 2-3 months ago, received an invite to take the Phase I exam last month, took the Phase I exam last month, received a letter stating that I passed Phase I and to stand by until notified of Phase II testing.

When we were at the exam, the special agent recruitment coordinator told us that on average, it takes about 1.5 years to get beginning training at Quantico should you pass all of the Phases of selection.  It's pretty ridiculous, if you ask me.

They are trying to expedite the process in the future by setting up testing centers, however, this concept is just in the beginning phases and will take time to develop.

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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2007, 04:58:49 PM »
Before law school I was offered a special agent job with the FBI.  It took me 3 or 4 interviews, exams and some lengthy background check to get the job.  The whole process took about 1.5 years.  When the offer finally came through I had been working with a company on wall street for about a year. 
In my opinion you are wasting your law school education if you become a special agent with FBI after graduation, as I was able to secure an offer with only undergrad degree.  Maybe FBI general counsel would be a better fit.  And, don't forget, the pay scale for special agent is quite abysmal.  You are just federal cop, slightly more prestigious than city cop but not much more.  Movies can be misleading. 

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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2007, 05:28:03 PM »
Before law school I was offered a special agent job with the FBI.  It took me 3 or 4 interviews, exams and some lengthy background check to get the job.  The whole process took about 1.5 years.  When the offer finally came through I had been working with a company on wall street for about a year. 
In my opinion you are wasting your law school education if you become a special agent with FBI after graduation, as I was able to secure an offer with only undergrad degree.  Maybe FBI general counsel would be a better fit.  And, don't forget, the pay scale for special agent is quite abysmal.  You are just federal cop, slightly more prestigious than city cop but not much more.  Movies can be misleading. 

Well, special agent is out of the question (that's the one where you carry guns, right?).  I meant non-special agent.

I ask becauase they are coming to my school to do OCI in the fall.

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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2007, 05:43:40 PM »
i originally applied for the FBI Phase 1 special agent postion when i was still in the military, i got out in '03. they just called me two weeks ago to see if i was still interested in phase II and i've had a full scope security clearance since 1998 (meaning i don't have to go through as rigorous a background check). 1.5 years is the time they tell everybody but realistically it takes 2-5 years from the time you apply until you enter into active service (if you have a squeeky clean record). that's for any government job that requires a security clearance, not just the FBI. do not work for the FBI. special agents start out at GS-10 which is somewhere around 50K. it takes an average of 10 years(if you're a jack bauer type) to, like most people, 15-20 years to get to a GS-15 which is somewhere around 100K. above that is the executive schedule 115K and above, but you have to wait for someone to die or retire to make that and there will be a long line of people ahead of you who've been waiting longer. if you want to work for the goverment with a law degree, the justice department is a better option.
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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2007, 08:26:15 AM »
i originally applied for the FBI Phase 1 special agent postion when i was still in the military, i got out in '03. they just called me two weeks ago to see if i was still interested in phase II and i've had a full scope security clearance since 1998 (meaning i don't have to go through as rigorous a background check). 1.5 years is the time they tell everybody but realistically it takes 2-5 years from the time you apply until you enter into active service (if you have a squeeky clean record). that's for any government job that requires a security clearance, not just the FBI. do not work for the FBI. special agents start out at GS-10 which is somewhere around 50K. it takes an average of 10 years(if you're a jack bauer type) to, like most people, 15-20 years to get to a GS-15 which is somewhere around 100K. above that is the executive schedule 115K and above, but you have to wait for someone to die or retire to make that and there will be a long line of people ahead of you who've been waiting longer. if you want to work for the goverment with a law degree, the justice department is a better option.

Parts of what you say is true, parts are not.  I have a government job with a security clearance and it did NOT take 2.5 years to get lol.  I interviewed right out of college and was hired 6 months later. 

Also, most government positions are career ladder positions.  3 years later, I'm a GS-12 and eligible for my GS-13 very soon.  It's beyond 13 that things can take a while, but with the current climate of retirees it is a pretty good time to be a fed.  However, a lot depends on your series.  I'm in a pretty high demand series so the pay grade jumps have been good to me, however, there are a TON of higher grade attorneys in the government right now and therefore it is slow moving past GS-12 in many agencies.

It all depends on what you want.  I have no desire to work for the feds after law school.  If I did, I wouldn't be going through the hell that is law school because I can make a good government wage without it.

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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2007, 02:00:24 PM »
i originally applied for the FBI Phase 1 special agent postion when i was still in the military, i got out in '03. they just called me two weeks ago to see if i was still interested in phase II and i've had a full scope security clearance since 1998 (meaning i don't have to go through as rigorous a background check). 1.5 years is the time they tell everybody but realistically it takes 2-5 years from the time you apply until you enter into active service (if you have a squeeky clean record). that's for any government job that requires a security clearance, not just the FBI. do not work for the FBI. special agents start out at GS-10 which is somewhere around 50K. it takes an average of 10 years(if you're a jack bauer type) to, like most people, 15-20 years to get to a GS-15 which is somewhere around 100K. above that is the executive schedule 115K and above, but you have to wait for someone to die or retire to make that and there will be a long line of people ahead of you who've been waiting longer. if you want to work for the goverment with a law degree, the justice department is a better option.

Parts of what you say is true, parts are not.  I have a government job with a security clearance and it did NOT take 2.5 years to get lol.  I interviewed right out of college and was hired 6 months later. 

Also, most government positions are career ladder positions.  3 years later, I'm a GS-12 and eligible for my GS-13 very soon.  It's beyond 13 that things can take a while, but with the current climate of retirees it is a pretty good time to be a fed.  However, a lot depends on your series.  I'm in a pretty high demand series so the pay grade jumps have been good to me, however, there are a TON of higher grade attorneys in the government right now and therefore it is slow moving past GS-12 in many agencies.

It all depends on what you want.  I have no desire to work for the feds after law school.  If I did, I wouldn't be going through the hell that is law school because I can make a good government wage without it.


uh all of what i am saying is correct. if you got yours in 6 months then your security clearance was expidited, doesn't mean your're fully cleared they just grant you the lowest clearance you need to get into the building depending on the agency you work for. whichever agency you work for will still do a full scope etc. if you're not in the intelligence field series codes (0132) or (1811) then the the clearance process is different and less stringent. FBI special agents and intelligence support postions fall under the intellgence job series (0132) and (1811). they will still do a full scope background investigation which unless you've never had even a parking ticket can not be completed in 6 months. the FBI and some other agencies do not give expidited clearances. you have to be fully cleared and polygraphed before you can step foot in the building. in the 10 years i've been working in the IC i've never seen that entire process take less than 1 year and that's if they are really desperate. back to the FBI, they will still make you go through the entire security /polygraph process regardless of your current clearance status. if you have a clearance than you know how stupid and time wasting that is. even if you've just had your 5 year update they still take you through the entire process and re-polygraph you. i worked in the intelligence field from 1998- June 2007 for NSA CIA and DIA. i've not worked for FBI because their process is the long, time consuming and redundant. 
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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2007, 02:19:07 PM »
also just for the full picture you will go from GS-X to GS-13 very quickly after that is slows down because promotions are no longer automatic you have to apply for openings and compete. the wait for GS-13 to a GS-14 is anywhere from 2-5 years, once again depending on your career field with the intelligence track being the fastest. once you get to a GS-14, 15 is again not automatic once again you have to wait for a spot, in your agency, in your career field, in your position. i started out as government employee and quickly went over to the dark side of contracting because i saw the light. imo you don't need a JD to be a special agent. you will be doing the same law enforcement as every other special agent who only have bachelor's degrees. but because you your a "fancy lawyer type" you won't get to do any of the fun stuff you will be sitting in a cubicle pushing paper.
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Re: Possibiility of working with FBI?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2007, 02:28:30 PM »
I was granted full clearance in a little over a year, maybe close to 1.5 years.  Anyhow, getting full clearance DOES NOT take 2.5-4 years as certain person put it.  I have talked to tons of special agents up and down the rank through out my long application process and none of them took more than 1.5 years to get their clearance.