Well, I agree that the for-profit model in legal education is problematic and suspicious.
Common ground, huh.
But the 4th tier argument as you've described it is very weak to me. 4th Tier? So what? What about it?
What does that even mean? It's in the 4th tier because 1) its academic peer assessment score is awful, and its lawyers & judges assessment score is awful (i.e., neither legal scholars nor legal professionals respect it); 2) it is wildly--absolutely insanely--unselective, probably because it profits by letting in literally anyone; and 3) its placement rates are awful (of which more discussion later).
So, it's in the 4th tier because it's just a very bad law school. You say, "What about it?" You sound silly.
That cop-out of an answer you gave wont do... If you're going to make these statements, you need to explain them, otherwise, I'm not convinced you even know what you're talking about.
It's not clear to me what would qualify me as "knowing what I'm talking about." There are the facts, and they are on the internet, and I'm vaguely familiar with them, and I'm also aware of the reputation of the place (reputation, of course, being highly important in this our profession). What do you want, me to visit Jacksonville and report that indeed the place even smells like a very, very bad law school?
A link to other hearsay forums (with anonymous users trashing law schools they either got rejected from or got kicked out of) isn't my idea of helpful... I think you know that.
I don't know that, and I can pretty much guaran-effin-tee that nobody got rejected from Florida Coastal. At least nobody who would know how to use a computer and post things on the internet.
Anyway, the point of JD Underground is that it often has fairly lucid discussions about what life is like for lower-tier grads who have a lot of debt and very bad jobs. That's sad. It can be literally depressing. This is something that should be of interest to a Florida Coastal applicant.
I don't think you really need links.
Ah, yes, because the relative worth of a law school can be proved merely by emoticons.
I think you have the capacity to thoroughly explain your own ideas with reason and logic and all of the other tools you have access to.
You are insisting that I use reason and logic to explain to you that a fourth tier law school is a very bad law school.
Let that sink in.
But just spewing notions you may have understood as conventional wisdom from other message boards is not helpful, substantive, and seems a little pathetic.
If you're saying that I'm misunderstanding the "conventional wisdom," then I'm saying that either you have no idea what the conventional wisdom on Coastal is, or that you just don't know what "conventional wisdom" means. I guess I'm leaning towards the latter.
("Conventional wisdom" is the opinion that's shared by the group. This operates regardless of your approval of that opinion.)
And yes, why the hell would someone who is interested in going to Florida Coastal want to know that the law school admissions internet discussion community thinks that the school is awful? They surely would have no interest in hearing the conventional wisdom on the place, which wisdom is the product of and shared by a lot of people who spend a terrific amount of time researching and discussing law schools. You are right--much to the contrary, Florida Coastal applicants are only helped by affirmations.
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How much do you actually know about Florida Coastal for you to rail on it like you have?
I could know a lot less, honestly, and have a similarly low opinion of the place.
Do you have data?
Yes. The tuition is 30k, and the average starting salary is 48k. And unless Coastal is unique amongst law schools, that 48k figure is inflated by underreported sampling. So, it's expensive and the grads don't make any money. That's damning evidence, generally, though of course it is--sadly--not a state of affairs that is unique to Florida Coastal. Many other very, very bad law schools charge exorbitant tuition and leave students with offensively bad job prospects.
The average LSAT is a 150 and the average GPA is a 3.1. I'd rather make fun of the school than the students, but, come on.
PR gives the academic experience a 60/100, which as far as I can tell is literally the lowest score a law school can get.
Their flagship journal, Florida Coastal Law Review, is ranked 179 on the W&L metric, and that's out of only 200. And there are only 190 or so accredited schools. So it's not a bastion of legal scholarship, let's put it that way. In fact, this means that it's one of the least cited and least respected centers of legal scholarship in the entire country. Go figure.
Know someone personally? Did you attend the school? Do you know any graduates? Do you know any Professors that teach there?
Thank god no, thank god no, and... thank god no. Though I go to law school with a girl who knows some people there, and she legitimately pities them, I think.
What do you know about the school you're talking about? In essence, do you know what you're talking about? That's all I'm asking...
Plenty enough, and, yes, I knew what I was talking about way before I started talking *&^%.
None taken, but, really dude, don't go into this "you don't know what you're talking about!" shtick unless you're really, really sure that you in fact know what you're
And I'll just say, sometimes reinventing the wheel is necessary, especially when it's made of stone...
You've butchered this metaphor, if you're trying to insult my take on Coastal. But suffice it to say, reinventing the wheel is neither necessary nor productive. This board has been around long enough that I should be able to say that Coastal sucks without having to drudge up all the hard proof.