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Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #110 on: February 09, 2008, 02:28:03 PM »

Wow, interesting username, ad astra, what does it mean?


to the stars on the wings of a pig.  it has something to do with Steinbeck.  It might be in the Grapes of Wrath.


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Intriguing username, one shoe - what's the story behind it?

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Company: Gunman, Virginia Tech shooter used same Web dealer
« Reply #111 on: February 16, 2008, 05:11:24 PM »

The gun shop owner who sold him the Glock 9 mm, one of the guns used at Norris Hall, said Cho easily passed a background check last month before buying the weapon.


Cho Seung-Hui walked into a gun shop five weeks ago, paid the 285 bill by credit card and walked out with a Glock 19 handgun and a box of ammunition. The pistol was one of two guns found carrying Cho's fingerprints after he fatally shot 32 people and then himself at Virginia Tech University.

John Markell, owner of Roanoke Firearms, yesterday confirmed his shop sold the Glock to Cho in March. "It was a very unremarkable sale," said Mr Markell, who did not handle the sale personally. "He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea that a purchase is suspicious." Mr Markell said it was not unusual for students to buy from his shop as long as they were old enough. The minimum age to buy a handgun in Virginia is 18. The South Korean-born Cho, 23, was a legal, permanent US resident and eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. Under Virginia law, state police keep records of gun purchases from licensed dealers for only 30 days. After that, police destroy the records.

The "right to bear arms" is enshrined in the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, and is one which pressure groups hotly defend. Guns, with some regulation, are widely available to buy across the US. This shooting shows that guns are the problem and Americans should not have the right to carry arms.




DEKALB, Illinois (CNN) -- A site used to buy gun accessories by Steven Kazmierczak is owned by the same company that operates a site patronized by Seung-Hui Cho, the company said. Kazmierczak ordered two 9 mm Glock magazines and a holster for a Glock handgun from the Web site February 4, said a statement released by TGSCOM Inc. He received them February 12, two days before the NIU shootings, it said. "TGSCOM Inc. also operates the Web site used by Seung-Hui [Cho] to purchase a firearm used in the Virginia Tech shootings last April," the statement said. 



TGSCOM Inc. said it is assisting law enforcement in the investigation. Police had been looking for a laptop computer, and one was found in the room and turned over to investigators, DeKalb Travelodge manager Jay Patel told CNN. Earlier, Northern Illinois University's police chief described Kazmierczak as "an outstanding student" who reportedly stopped taking medication recently and became "somewhat erratic." Kazmierczak of Champaign, Illinois, opened fire on a geology class Thursday, shooting 21 people before killing himself. Five people were killed in addition to the shooter.

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Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #112 on: February 17, 2008, 08:42:27 AM »

DEKALB, Illinois (CNN) -- A site used to buy gun accessories by Steven Kazmierczak is owned by the same company that operates a site patronized by Seung-Hui Cho, the company said. Kazmierczak ordered two 9 mm Glock magazines and a holster for a Glock handgun from the Web site February 4, said a statement released by TGSCOM Inc. He received them February 12, two days before the NIU shootings, it said. "TGSCOM Inc. also operates the Web site used by Seung-Hui [Cho] to purchase a firearm used in the Virginia Tech shootings last April," the statement said. 

TGSCOM Inc. said it is assisting law enforcement in the investigation. Police had been looking for a laptop computer, and one was found in the room and turned over to investigators, DeKalb Travelodge manager Jay Patel told CNN. Earlier, Northern Illinois University's police chief described Kazmierczak as "an outstanding student" who reportedly stopped taking medication recently and became "somewhat erratic." Kazmierczak of Champaign, Illinois, opened fire on a geology class Thursday, shooting 21 people before killing himself. Five people were killed in addition to the shooter.


Looks like he's going to somehow "borrow" the fame of the St. Vale's Day massacre perpetrated by the South Side Italian Al Capone gang in Chicago in 1929.



On the morning of Thursday, February 14, 1929 St. Valentine's Day, 5 members of George 'Bugs' Moran's gang, a gang "follower", and a mechanic who happened to be at the scene were lined up against the rear inside wall of the garage of the SMC Cartage Company in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago's North Side. They were then shot and killed by four members of Capone's gang (two of them dressed as police officers). When one of the dying men, Frank Gusenberg, was asked who shot him, he replied, "I'm not gonna talk - nobody shot me." Capone himself had arranged to be on vacation in Florida at the time.
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Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #114 on: February 20, 2008, 04:14:31 PM »

Intriguing username, one shoe - what's the story behind it?


That's got to be a supershoe!

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Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #115 on: February 21, 2008, 11:27:38 AM »
HAHAHA! ;)

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« Reply #116 on: March 28, 2008, 01:53:55 AM »

Cho Seung-Hui walked into a gun shop five weeks ago, paid the 285 bill by credit card and walked out with a Glock 19 handgun and a box of ammunition. The pistol was one of two guns found carrying Cho's fingerprints after he fatally shot 32 people and then himself at Virginia Tech University.

John Markell, owner of Roanoke Firearms, yesterday confirmed his shop sold the Glock to Cho in March. "It was a very unremarkable sale," said Mr Markell, who did not handle the sale personally. "He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea that a purchase is suspicious." Mr Markell said it was not unusual for students to buy from his shop as long as they were old enough. The minimum age to buy a handgun in Virginia is 18. The South Korean-born Cho, 23, was a legal, permanent US resident and eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. Under Virginia law, state police keep records of gun purchases from licensed dealers for only 30 days. After that, police destroy the records.

The "right to bear arms" is enshrined in the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, and is one which pressure groups hotly defend. Guns, with some regulation, are widely available to buy across the US. This shooting shows that guns are the problem and Americans should not have the right to carry arms.




DEKALB, Illinois (CNN) -- A site used to buy gun accessories by Steven Kazmierczak is owned by the same company that operates a site patronized by Seung-Hui Cho, the company said. Kazmierczak ordered two 9 mm Glock magazines and a holster for a Glock handgun from the Web site February 4, said a statement released by TGSCOM Inc. He received them February 12, two days before the NIU shootings, it said. "TGSCOM Inc. also operates the Web site used by Seung-Hui [Cho] to purchase a firearm used in the Virginia Tech shootings last April," the statement said. 



TGSCOM Inc. said it is assisting law enforcement in the investigation. Police had been looking for a laptop computer, and one was found in the room and turned over to investigators, DeKalb Travelodge manager Jay Patel told CNN. Earlier, Northern Illinois University's police chief described Kazmierczak as "an outstanding student" who reportedly stopped taking medication recently and became "somewhat erratic." Kazmierczak of Champaign, Illinois, opened fire on a geology class Thursday, shooting 21 people before killing himself. Five people were killed in addition to the shooter.


One thing I never understood is how these highway shooters firing shots simply disappear without actually taking someone down ..I mean, we sure know these "shootings" are different from the sniper spree of nearly 6 years ago (those attacks targeted people who were standing outside their cars) but still... not to mention that Virginia gets also reminded of a lot of emergencies they've had...

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Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #117 on: March 28, 2008, 02:16:36 PM »

The gun shop owner who sold him the Glock 9 mm, one of the guns used at Norris Hall, said Cho easily passed a background check last month before buying the weapon.




Cho Seung-Hui walked into a gun shop five weeks ago, paid the 285 bill by credit card and walked out with a Glock 19 handgun and a box of ammunition. The pistol was one of two guns found carrying Cho's fingerprints after he fatally shot 32 people and then himself at Virginia Tech University.

John Markell, owner of Roanoke Firearms, yesterday confirmed his shop sold the Glock to Cho in March. "It was a very unremarkable sale," said Mr Markell, who did not handle the sale personally. "He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea that a purchase is suspicious." Mr Markell said it was not unusual for students to buy from his shop as long as they were old enough. The minimum age to buy a handgun in Virginia is 18. The South Korean-born Cho, 23, was a legal, permanent US resident and eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. Under Virginia law, state police keep records of gun purchases from licensed dealers for only 30 days. After that, police destroy the records.

The "right to bear arms" is enshrined in the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, and is one which pressure groups hotly defend. Guns, with some regulation, are widely available to buy across the US. This shooting shows that gun are the problem and Americans should not have the right to carry arms.

An interesting hypothesis, unfortunately not supported by anything but a topical look at gun violence.
Allow me to make mention of the truth that few wish to accept.
Gun laws don't stop people from getting guns.  Law abiding citizens don't get guns, while criminals still have ways of obtaining them.  The hard fact is that had UVA not passed a rule explicitly forbidding people with concealed carry permits having their guns on their person while on campus, this tragedy would have easily been averted by one singular student with a concealed carry permit and his pistol.
What, you say?  How could that be?
Due to the rule, no students had weapons (though some students, including some who came into contact with this psycho had concealed carry permits) and as such, no one could properly defend themselves.
When you criminalize gun ownership, only criminals will have guns.
Tragedies like this cannot and will never be avoided by strict gun laws.  To receive a concealed carry permit, you are required to attend and pass gun safety classes.  This makes the weapon less dangerous than the current laws, which have no such restrictions for the purchase of guns.  Proper legislation would include mandatory gun safety certifications.  Outlawing guns has the opposite effect on violent crimes than many hope it would.  Areas that make gun ownership illegal have higher instances of gun related violence and death because people are powerless to defend against a criminal with a gun.  When criminals cannot be sure that their intended victims may have a weapon on them, they are less likely to use theirs.
And then their is the whole hitler thing.  One of the ways Hitler was able to impose his progrom of anti-semitic insititutionalized murder was by making guns illegal, removing the ability of the people to stand up and fight.  The result is well documented.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "
That's the framers talking, free from agenda's and lobbyists.  Wisdom.
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Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2008, 02:37:59 AM »

One thing I never understood is how these highway shooters firing shots simply disappear without actually taking someone down ..I mean, we sure know these "shootings" are different from the sniper spree of nearly 6 years ago (those attacks targeted people who were standing outside their cars) but still... not to mention that Virginia gets also reminded of a lot of emergencies they've had...


You have a least 3 (three) different "events" in here ... it gets a little bit messy when you try to do too many things at a time ...

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Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #119 on: March 31, 2008, 05:35:34 PM »

Did you see today the female private part (Queen of England) meet with survivors of the massacre at Virginia Tech?


Me too hates English! In fact, most of the things that are wrong with America are so because of the English heritage. Man, English people are weird, eccentric, opinionated, boisterous. The English accent is funny and their pronunciation really sucks.


The Queen of England is a real female dog indeed. The day after the death of Princess Diana, as a result of an "accident" at the Pont de L'Alma tunnel, a caller on the radio said that the royal family had ordered the hit out of fear that Diana's companion, the Arab Dodi Fayed might wield undue influence over the royal family of England. This scenario with variations and additions, not surprisingly, appears in most of the conspiracy theories about Di's death.