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Looking for your review of your law school...
« on: February 23, 2007, 03:40:59 PM »
Admins, if this is not allowed, I apologize.

CSH Services is in the process of developing a series of new law advice products.  We are looking for reviews of the laws schools that you all attend. 

We are paying $7.50 for 250 word reviews and $2.50 if you include three to four photos of the facilities.  Your name will follow your review and photographs in all publications.

Please email us at CSH.Services@gmail.com if you are interested in participating.

Thank you

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Re: Looking for your review of your law school...
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2007, 03:50:11 PM »
wow... ten whole dollars!?!?

i'd do it for $100
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Re: Looking for your review of your law school...
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2007, 03:58:50 PM »
While we understand the money is not substantial, we have done this in the past for similar publications and receive quite a few reviews for each school.  We do not publish each review that we receive.  The rights for your piece and photos belong to you.

Thanks for your reply.

Also, if you feel that you could write a review that would be publish worthy (as we know most law students could) and help potential law students in their application process, please contact us at the email address above and we might be able to work something else out.

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2007, 07:39:04 PM »
Wait a minute. Did I read that right, or is it a typo? You're going to include the author's name in the publication?

If you want an honest review of a school, don't include the author's name. I'd give you a review of my school, but if you include my name I couldn't honestly tell you what I think about it, or what the most commonly held beliefs by my fellow students are. Law schools can be just like that old saying about women. Hell hath no fury as a law school scorned.

Assuming youíre an organization that really wants to stand out from the other publishers of pre-law materials, strive for an honest unadulterated assessment of what the school is really like. That's really what's lacking out there in the pre-law world. There's basically three categories of materials available to people thinking of going to law school. First, there's the books written with maximum sales in mind that spout hyperbole about what the law school experience is like. One L is the best example of that. Law School Confidential is way off base in a lot of ways too. And, those are just two examples. The second category of materials is what are generated by the news sources like U.S. News and World Reports. The debate about those publications has been exhausted on this board, so Iím not even going to get started on that. The third category is the publications that are produced by the schools themselves. Obviously those are biased. All of these publications create nothing more than a mere caricature of law school.

I think I was like most pre-law students. I tried to get my hands on everything I could to help make decisions and find out what law school was going to be like. I read all the classics, read all the magazines, talked to pre-law advisors, and all the other usual stuff. I can honestly say that all of it was bogus. Even pre-law advisors are worthless unless theyíve been to law school. Even if they have been to law school, I donít know how they qualify as admissions experts.

After two years of law school, Iím certain that the only way to get an honest assessment of law school is to hear it straight from a law student who has no incentive to gloss over the truth. Thereís both good and bad about law school, and pre-laws are dying to hear about it. They just donít know and canít know if theyíre being fed a load of crap or not. The only people who really know what law school is like are the ones who have been there. Thatís evident just by reading the pre-law side of this board.

Do the pre-law world a favor and publish something honest. Youíre only going to accomplish that by anonymous submission.

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 10:24:47 PM »
Do the pre-law world a favor and publish something honest. Youíre only going to accomplish that by anonymous submission.

Thank you very much for the insightful response.  You have really given everyone here a lot to think about in terms of bias.  We are actually going to have a meeting Monday to discuss possible changes in the way we approach this publication.  Thanks again.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2007, 10:13:46 AM »
wtf is CSH Services anyway?
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Re: Looking for your review of your law school...
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2007, 10:55:29 AM »
They've got a gmail address and they're offering Hamiltons. They gotta be legit.

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Re: Looking for your review of your law school...
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2007, 04:07:55 AM »
Do the pre-law world a favor and publish something honest. Youíre only going to accomplish that by anonymous submission.

Thank you very much for the insightful response.  You have really given everyone here a lot to think about in terms of bias.  We are actually going to have a meeting Monday to discuss possible changes in the way we approach this publication.  Thanks again.

One way you might elicit better information is to ask people to list their favorite AND least favorite things about their respective schools.  It's rare to EVER see negative information published about law schools, which is part of why it's so hard to make an informed decision.

It's difficult to imagine that you're going to get quality reviews in 250 words or less.  In that space, I could tell you that Penn has a "friendly" atmosphere.  Given more words, I could explain that I play tennis with my Property professor, or that I am going out to dinner with the dean.

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Re: Looking for your review of your law school...
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2007, 10:22:46 AM »
Also note that negative information is tough to draw out of students who aren't bitter.  Particularly given the lack of unbiased information about schools, any negative word about a school has the potential to be pounced on by sites like this and makes its way as an exaggerated rumor throughout the echo chamber of the legal community.  This would hurt the school's reputation and its alumni who are looking for jobs.  Most people from even moderately respectable schools don't want to trash them for this reason, if not also for others.

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 04:08:11 PM »
I'm not necessarily saying that bitter is better. What I would say about my school is they tout this new cutting edge curriculum, but it's not exactly what they advertise. I would have wanted to know that inside info up front. But, the facilities can't be beat, and I do feel like I'm getting a good education there. If the review provides info that swings to either extreme, then something's obviously up. I will definitely agree that law students have at least an oligopoly on complaining. I admit I do my fair share of it when I get stressed out.

Like I said before, there's a real lack of honest information that's school specific, as well as a lack of honest info about the law school experience generally. Based on my experience and what I hear from friends and acquaintances at other schools, some things seem to be truisms across the board about law schools regardless of the school.

Here's a few (Remember, I'm just poking a little fun here. There's a lot of truth to all of it, but I'm just trying to have a laugh at ourselves):

1)The gossip and rumor mill beats even the most ferocious group of old ladies at bridge night.

This blows my mind considering we're training to enter a profession that holds confidentiality to be among the most sacred of our ideals. I'm further astounded considering this is the only place in the world where people spend nearly an entire semester learning about the infirmities of hearsay, but can't make the connection that the courtroom is not some magical place where the infirmities only apply.


2) A large cross section of the student population is amazingly juvenile considering their age, level of education, and magnitude of responsibilities they are preparing to take on in three short years.

3) At times, the partying is darn near like being a freshman in college again.

4) People try to act humble about the fact their in law school, but when push comes to shove they're more than willing to break out that "I'm in law school" card; Like when they're trying to run their game on a female, or when they're drunk and having a run in with the police. FYI, about the only thing that could make that situation worse is if you began making comments about the incestuous sexual history of the cop's mother (or if you punched him). Cops hate lawyers. They hate law students who think they're lawyers even worse.

5) Law school is not the dominion of the young Banana Republic martini set eager to engage in philosophical and political debate and other discussions of high minded upper class topics. It is, however, the dominion of people who were not cool in high school or college, but are now in paradise because they outnumber the people with social skills 5 to 1. Some schools are also the dominion of ex-frat dicks who led their frat in grades with a 2.9 and managed to score just high enough on the LSAT to get into a 4th tier school. It's three more years of partying, their friends think they're smart, and mom and dad are proud and no longer worried. At least they're not worried until junior can't get a job because attorneys don't like to hire muscled up twenty five year olds with popped collars who use the words "dude" and "like" about as much as any other words in a sentence. It's also the dominion of twenty-two year olds driving cars that most fifty-two year olds can't afford after thirty years of work and saving. Most of us are here because we were previously under the erroneous impression that this would get us the car. You already have the car. Why are you here?

No. Wait a minute. Let's be realistic. Daddy wants his little girl to be safe when she's driving to and from school, and the only way she'll be safe is if she's driving a brand new 7 series BMW with alloy rims and the navigation and premium sound package. Can't be safe without that premium sound. ;)

6) This is the most important. A law degree doesn't get your ticket punched to an upper middle class lifestyle in your mid-twenties or early thirties. It doesn't guarantee you immediate membership in the top ten percent of wage earners club. It does, however, guarantee that when you graduate your friends back at home will expect you to live an upper middle class lifestyle. About two years out, they'll be surprised that you're still driving your old honda hatchback, and buying your suits from the sale rack at JC Penney all because you wound up making about half of what you thought you would when you were a 1L, and 8-900 dollars a month of that is going out the door to the loan sharks back at the law school. You wanna make more money young? Real estate or finance is the better option. Hell, you don't need any kind of degree for real estate.I've got a friend who is 23 with no college degree making 120,000 a year selling homes for a residential developer. That pisses me off ;). Not really. She's a single mom with no father in the picture, and she works d-mn hard and earns every penny of it. I have a lot of respect for that.

7) Law school is certainly a few steps up the ladder in terms of workload and academic standards, but it is nowhere near as hard as what the popular belief holds.

8) I'm amazed at how smart some of the people are. I'm amazed at how dumb some of the people are.

9) Sometimes in law school effort doesn't matter. Strike that. Most of the time in law school effort doesn't matter. Most of us can't buy an A. Even if we could and did, We'd probably still get a B.

10) At orientation everyone thinks they'll be in the top twenty percent of the class. Eight out of ten of those people will not be. One out of five of those people will be in the bottom twenty percent. A few of those people will fail out and never be lawyers while still paying back the fifteen to thirty grand they spent to find that out.

I'm really just poking fun. There is more or less some element of truth to all of that. But, all in all, I think I did the right thing. There's pros and cons to everything. You get out of law school what you put into law school, and if you pay attention and play along you'll notice some very distinct intellectual changes occuring. I'm happy with my choice.