William Mitchell was a T3 school as recently as 2005. The rhetoric that rankings are static and that schools will be stuck in one tier "forever" is factually incorrect. The faculty at William Mitchell are very high brow for an independent law school. And, if you want factual data on where graduates go, fine. I'd more than happy to rebut the notion that this a bad school to go to for a career in the Twin Cities. That's just lethally clueless.On the national scale, if someone is planning on looking for legal jobs outside of Minnesota with a St. Thomas law degree, that's a fairly puzzling stance to take.Most people will retort "I've never heard of that school". They will say that three years from now and beyond. It takes a long time for a new law school to develop a following in it's own state, let alone elsewhere. And, St. Thomas is not to suspend that basic law of the jungle.
As far as debuting in T2 or T3, no. When I was looking at law schools, one UST student actually told me that it would debut in the T20.
Anyone wishing to practice out-of-state (other than Wisconsin) should not attend UST. Hell, the U of Mn hardly has a reputation out-of-state. Whoever posted that they went to UST to practice out-of-state is wasting money. When the lawyers said they heard of UST, perhaps they were thinking of the Florida school. OK its not nice to suggest that education is a waste, but really, UST will be a solid MINNESOTA law school. Building a national reputation will take more than 2-3 classes of graduating students, no matter how much money UST decides to spend. end quotethis is why underqualified's session name is so appropriate...anyone who claims that UMN hardly has a reputation out-of-state simply has no grasp of the facts. simply look at the OCI process at UMN, UST, Hamline and William Mitchell....yeah UMN pretty much annihilates the three. now look UMN up on the NALP website and compare them to UST, Hamline and William Mitchell....again it pretty much crushes them. now look at UMN compared to some other tier 1 programs like Iowa, Wisconsin, ND, Northwestern, again on NALP. check out the number of clerkships UMN recieves compared to UST, Hamline and William Mitchell...now compare to the other schools I listed. now go look at Prof. Brian Leiter's study of law school academic reputations and job placement statistics and see how UMN ranks above Notre Dame, UCLA, Emory and Washington and Lee in its normalized score for job placement in elite law firms. couple that with the fact that UMN is ranked 19th according to USNWR. is MN a truly national law school like the T14? no way. but to argue that UMN "hardly has a reputation out-of-state" makes you sound like a moron. as if you'd gotten in there you would have stuck to whatever stripmall paralegal college you currently attend.
I know this is sort of a pre-law question (except for transfers), but readers of the pre-law board would not necessarily know any more than I do. You would know, so... which Minnesota school would you pick and why? I have been dinged from U of MN so it's down to those three.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^FYI, I went to the U of Mn. Im not trashing the school, I'm just being real. Look at the placement statistics again. Fact is, few people in the legal community outside of Minneapolis hold the school in high regard. The only two midwest schools which have a national reputation are Chicago and Northwestern. How many LA or NY firms came to OCIs this year?