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NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2015, 07:14:48 PM »
I assume NOVUS allows you to take the California Bar, since it is the most liberal about who it allows to sit for the exam, but I don't even know if that is true.

You would assume WRONG, thus its not even an "unaccredited law school" since that definition is used by the state bar to describe ones that CAN sit the exam.
Its just a junk piece of junk.

As for the suit, it was about people with a FAKE DEGREE showing up and getting into their school. To be fair the real blame was on them for not filtering the applicants better (as you said, they let in anyone themselves thus the REAL issue and WHY they lost the suit, NOT because Novus "won" in any way)

And as for as "leaving novus alone" Fine. Novus.......stop posting stupid *&^% and I will stop responding. Balls in their court as far as I'm concerned.
But no sympathy for people who start stuff and then complain about people responding with facts.

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #91 on: October 15, 2015, 08:27:06 AM »
Just curious, but how did Touro even have standing to sue Novus? What harm were they suffering due to Novus?

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2015, 10:22:47 AM »
I wonder if that is why the case was dismissed? If NOVUS won a motion to dismiss I assume standing was the issue.

If Touro has standing to sue NOVUS what stops Harvard from suing Touro etc.  If you thought schools fighitng for rankings was bad, why not just let them litigate with each other and the winner gets ranked #1. At least that would be an objective ranking opposed to scantrons they use.

The whole lawsuit seems stupid, why Touro a school with a less than stellar reputation itself would use its resources to attack Novus? Unless they let Touro Grads participate in the lawsuit to get experience, I don't see why Touro would pick a fight with an obscure unaccredited law school.



Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #93 on: October 15, 2015, 06:19:51 PM »
I wonder if that is why the case was dismissed? If NOVUS won a motion to dismiss I assume standing was the issue.

If Touro has standing to sue NOVUS what stops Harvard from suing Touro etc.  If you thought schools fighitng for rankings was bad, why not just let them litigate with each other and the winner gets ranked #1. At least that would be an objective ranking opposed to scantrons they use.

The whole lawsuit seems stupid, why Touro a school with a less than stellar reputation itself would use its resources to attack Novus? Unless they let Touro Grads participate in the lawsuit to get experience, I don't see why Touro would pick a fight with an obscure unaccredited law school.

I refer you all to the first page of the very thread you are posting on to answer the questions you are now posting:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/index.php?topic=4028644.0

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #94 on: October 15, 2015, 11:04:53 PM »
Thanks for that link it answered all my questions.

 I reviewed the initial Complaint filed by Touro and was shocked that they filed it.  After reading the Complaint my understanding is that Touro accepted a NOVUS grad into their LLM program, under the impression he was a foreign law studnet. It appears Touro  did no background check on this applicant at all, because they later dismissed him for attending NOVUS.

The dismissed student sued Touro for accepting him and then deciding his "foreign law" school was not enough.

As a result of that lawsuit Touro then filed a Class Action Lawsuit in state court under a Federal Statute. (No Joke f;ing weird though)

With such a bizarre Complaint I really nerded out and looked up the full case in detail from the New York Supreme Court website, which actually maintains PDF's of all filings in the case, which is pretty cool. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=vTwzsNTZ1XrDSxjCt/y_PLUS_oA==&display=all&courtType=New%20York%20County%20Supreme%20Court

NOVUS killed them in their motion to dismiss.

So the facts are that Touro let a NOVUS grad into their LLM program and they believed Touro was a foreign law school. They then tried to dismiss the NOVUS grad they accepted, but he sued them.  Somehow Touro blames NOVUS for their inability to check on an applicant's background. All Touro had to do was google NOVUS and they could have learned what it was.

Touro then files a class action claim in state court under a Federal Statute 20 U.S.C. 1003, which actually contains the words" Diploma Mill" but it is unclear what the remedy under the statute is. I don't know what Touro even sought to accomplish from my reading it of the filed documents Touro wanted a New York State Court to Declare Novus a school in the Marshall Islands a diploma mill under a Federal Statute. What a declaration of a Diploma Mill would even do is unclear, which is why the court dismissed the case for the lack of any justifiable controversy.


The court needed no more than one page to say there is no controversy and dismissed the case.

I have to ask what the hell was Touro thinking? They screwed up by admitting a NOVUS grad and apparently conducting no background check whatsoever on their LLM applicants. It seems like you would sweep your inability to use diligence under the rug, but instead they sued NOVUS for no apparent reason.

Just bizarre really the only relief they sought from the State Court was to declare NOVUS a Diploma Mill under a Federal Statute. WTF? Why would a class action be necessary for that either?

Good for NOVUS and as to Touro if you make a mistake take accountability for it . Don't attack some obscure unaccredited law school, because your taking money from applicants without doing due diligence of your own.




Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #95 on: October 16, 2015, 08:12:33 AM »
I'm not going to pretend that I read all that, I will someday,but honestly don't care enough right now. I'll get to it later when I have jack squat to do for an hour.

All that I did catch, before my brain went on strike, is "killed in a motion to dismiss".............NO ONE EVER "kills in a motion to dismiss". That's like saying you killed the other sports team in stretching and then reminding the refs that they were missing players or some technicality. Its kind of a win, but impossible to "kill" at.

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #96 on: October 16, 2015, 08:18:06 AM »
ok, fudge it, I read it.  I had already said those points on all of that really in prior posts of my own if you scroll up. OF COURSE Touro should have just been smarter on who they let in, duh. That doesn't mean Novus "won" anything, just Touro is idiot. Novus is STILL  a SCAM.

And even IF it was a victory (and its not) it would be for the lawyer. Who is NOT a Novus grad (no lawyer ANYWHERE is) and not a Prof there either (its a diploma mill-NO ONE who is a lawyer is) So at MOST its a "I hired a lawyer to dismiss a mostly frivolous lawsuit that should have never been filed against me" but then them going "THIS IS PROOF WE ARE LEGIT SCHOOL AND LAWYERS!!!!!!!!!!!" NO............no its not.

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #97 on: October 16, 2015, 09:15:36 AM »
NOVUS is  what it claims to be an unaccredited law school registered in the Marshall Islands. That doesn't scream credibility and I personally would not attend NOVUS, but this lawsuit actually makes Touro look really bad. This is a law school and essentially they are claiming they could not read the fine print on Novus Law School's website. 

NOVUS is what it always has been and will be before this suit, but Touro just looks stupid for engaging it. They accepted a NOVUS grad into their law school, because their admissions committee did not read the fine print.  Mistake on Touro's part and instead of dealing with that appropriately they forced the student out of the school. The student understandably sued, because they accepted him and his application did not lie, one would assume a law school would check its fact before offering acceptance to someone and somehow Touro's lack of due diligence was the student and or Novus's fault? Touro did not do its job and instead of taking accountability went after an unaccredited law school in the Marshall Islands. To what lengths will it go to avoid saying it screwed p.

Then after that embarrassment Touro sues NOVUS the school they never contacted to verify was an actual foreign law school. Not only that Touro sued a Federal Statute in State Court that doesn't actually ask for anything, and for no apparent reason at Touro requested a class action.  That would just be a fail on a Civil Procedure Exam. Perhaps Touro should work on learning the law itself, before attacking some obscure irrelevant school in the Marshall Islands.

The simple fact is Touro didn't do its job and they are suing NOVUS a school they had no interaction with for no reason.

I guess the lesson is unaccredited schools are unaccredited schools. If the government wants to shut them down or state bars do not want to recognize the schools that is up to those entities, but NOVUS never claims to be an accredited law school. If it did that would be a problem, but it doesn't.

Touro is an ABA school, why is it lowering itself to this pointless litigation? I have no opinion whatsoever about Touro, but they did not handle this matter well.

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #98 on: October 16, 2015, 01:57:08 PM »
That's interesting, I'm not surprised the suit was tossed.

If Touro didn't bother to check up on NOVUS, that's a failure on their part. As long as there was no fraud or deception, I don't see where they had a leg to stand on. If anything, the dismissed NOVUS grad probably has a better case.

Re: NOVUS LAW SCHOOL?
« Reply #99 on: October 16, 2015, 02:52:48 PM »
Yea it was a pointless lawsuit and that is just a pet peeve of mine, when everyone jumps on someone for being sued. The truth is you "can" sue anyone for anything.  It doesn't mean you are going to win or that the person sued did anything wrong, but in my quick google search of the case all these blogs jumped on NOVUS for being sued.

If your lawsuit is pointless a Motion to Dismiss (Demurrer) in California is granted.  If there is some possible issue involved you get to Summary Judgment and then  real trial.

Touro was shot down at the Motion to Dismiss stage. When that occurs a  Judge will usually write a detailed opinon, because no-discovery has been conducted,  but this case was so pointless that the Judge needed only one page to explain it.  -

To reiterate the simple facts Touro sued Novus solely under a Federal Statute 20 U.S.C. 1003.  Civ Pro 101 if you are suing under Federal Law you go to Federal Court, but they went to state court.  (Dumb move #1)

I have no idea why they needed to seek a class-action lawsuit under 20 U.S.C. 1003. It was a dispute between Touro and NOVUS and Touro wanted the State Court to call NOVUS a diploma mill. Why is a class-action necessary for that? (Dumb move #2)

The dumbest move of all is it really is unclear what Touru wanted. I love when Judge's ask that in court, what do you want?  I guess the only possible answer is that Touro wanted a New York Judge to call a Marshall Islands Law School a Diploma Mill? In summary Touro used the court system in an attempt to get a Judge to say someplace they have no jurisdiction over sucks.   The Judge understandably declined to get involved. (Dumb Move #3 by Touro) - (Smart move by Judge) 

I assume the student they dismissed crushed Touro and the lawsuit against NOVUS was some sort of desperate act for Touro to save face.

It is amazing how big a mess people make when they simply don't take accountability.

Touro made a reasonable mistake in admitting the NOVUS Grad. NOVUS seems to be a foreign law school  and I am guessing the LLM student enrolled in Touro to be able to take a bar-exam someone.

So now I will go on a short list of complete assumptions where Touro continued to go wrong, but this like any anonymous interent post could be completely wrong, and I am affirmativel saying I don't know anything about this so take with a heap not a grain of salt.

I assume when Touro found out about this they were unsure if a NOVUS grad could set for the exam. 

I assume this is where the mistake occurred instead of Touro attempting to help their student try and sit for the exam, they dismissed him or her from school.  They then went down this road of pointless litigation to attack people. These resources would have been way better spent on helping the student qualify for the exam, but instead of working with the student to get a favorable result for everyone, Touro was embarrassed and acted childlike by initiating all this litigation for no reason.

-I hope Touro learned the lesson of minding their own business. The day Touro has a 100% bar passage rates, 100% employment and is known worldwide as an amazing institution maybe it can try to police the legal profession. If Harvard wanted to do this ok, they earned it, but this is the equivalent of Jimmy Clausen suing Tim Tebow for not being a real NFL Quarterback. 

Jimmy is barely in the league and Tebow isn't even in it.  Jimmy could be cut any day and would be advised to worry about himself, not what others are doing.

Touro is a newly accredited and far from elite ABA school and it should really focus on providing a quality education for its students that are paying large sums of money to attend. Not attacking an irrelevant law school in the Marshall Islands.