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Pope Benedict XVI The Creep
« on: September 20, 2006, 05:50:02 AM »
Pope's Comments Bring Threats, Condemnation



International media reported that the pope implied that Islam was spread by the sword during a September 12 speech at the University of Regensburg in Germany. In the speech, the pope recounted a conversation between Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus and a Persian scholar around the year 1391 on the subject of Christianity and Islam.

Centuries-Old Argument

In the course of the conversation, which revolved around the issues of faith and reason, the emperor says to the Persian, "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." Arguing that violence is incompatible with the nature of God, the emperor continues, "Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly without violence and threats."

The pope then quoted professor Theodore Khoury, his source for the above-mentioned dialogue, as observing that while the Byzantine outlook on faith was influenced by Greek philosophy and the concept of reason, for Muslims, "God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality," Benedict said.

The pope went on to quote French Islamist R. Arnaldez, "who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practice idolatry.


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Chavez Calls Bush 'The Devil'
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 06:49:19 AM »

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez acknowledges members of the 61st session of the United Nations General Assembly at U.N. headquarters, Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006.

In U.N. Speech Accusing U.S. Of Pillaging The World
NEW YORK, Sept. 20, 2006

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took his verbal battle with the United States to the floor of the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, calling U.S. President George W. Bush "the devil" and denouncing what he said was U.S. imperialism. The impassioned speech by Chavez, a leftist and one of Mr. Bush's staunchest critics, came a day after the U.S. president and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sparred over Tehran's disputed nuclear program but managed to avoid a personal encounter.

"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said, referring to Mr. Bush's address on Tuesday and making the sign of the cross. "He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world." The leftist leader, who has joined Iran and Cuba in opposing U.S. influence, accused Washington of "domination, exploitation and pillage of peoples of the world." "We appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our head," he said.

Wednesday marked the first time a U.S. President has ever been attacked on the floor of the United Nations. Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev threatened the West in 1960, but he didn't personally attack President Eisenhower. "Venezuela's Hugo Chavez is rapidly becoming the new Fidel Castro, but with petro-dollars, at the U.N.," said CBS News Foreign Affairs Analyst Pamela Falk, "and as a candidate for a non-permanent seat on the Security Council in October, his anti-Bush comments are making him increasingly popular with member states in his campaign for that position."

Chavez's diatribe reflected the difficulty Mr. Bush faces in his key mission at the U.N. — convincing a largely skeptical world audience that his administration's fight against terrorism was not one targeting Muslims. The main U.S. seat in the assembly hall was empty as Chavez spoke. But there was a "junior note taker" there, as is customary "when governments like that speak," the U.S. ambassador to the U.N said.

Ambassador John Bolton told The Associated Press that Chavez had the right to express his opinion, adding it was "too bad the people of Venezuela don't have free speech." "I'm just not going to comment on this because his remarks just don't warrant a response," Bolton said. "Serious people can listen to what he had to say and if they do they will reject it."

One of the most significant things about Wednesday's event was not even a part of the Chavez's speech: Venezuela is the United States' third-largest source of imported oil, and Chavez has long threatened to cut off the United States, reports Pitts. Chavez's threats prompted Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to call on the General Accounting Office to come up with a worst case scenario — and the answer wasn't good. The GAO concluded that if Venezuela stopped its supplies, worldwide oil prices would immediately spike by $4 to $6 a barrel. Prices at the gas pumps would jump 11 cents to 15 cents per gallon, reports CBS News correspondent Trish Regan.

Chavez drew tentative giggles at times from the audience, but also some applause when he called Mr. Bush "the devil." Before leaving the podium, Chavez, again inciting the "devil" reference to Mr. Bush, said, "it smells of sulfur here, but God is with us!" Venezuela's ambassador to the United States tried to diffuse Chavez's rhetoric, telling Regan his government depends on its oil sales to the United States for revenue. He added that Chavez wants to get along with the U.S.

Chavez spoke on the second day of the annual ministerial meetings, which were overshadowed by an ambitious agenda of sideline talks. The Mideast peace process also was in the spotlight, with ministers from the Quartet that drafted the stalled road map — the U.S., the U.N., the European Union and Russia — planning to meet. The Security Council also was scheduled to hold a ministerial meeting Thursday that Arab leaders hope will help revive the Mideast peace process. On Wednesday, Mr. Bush met with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and described him as "a man of peace" who can help move forward the stalled peace process.

The meeting followed up on his speech a day earlier before the General Assembly in which Mr. Bush tried to advance his campaign for democracy in the Middle East during his address to the General Assembly. Mr. Bush said extremists were trying to justify their violence by falsely claiming the U.S. is waging war on Islam. He singled out Iran and Syria as sponsors of terrorism. Mr. Bush also pointed to Tehran's rejection of a Security Council demand to stop enriching uranium by Aug. 31 or face the possibility of sanctions. But he addressed his remarks to the Iranian people in a clear insult to the government.

"The greatest obstacle to this future is that your rulers have chosen to deny you liberty and to use your nation's resources to fund terrorism and fuel extremism and pursue nuclear weapons," the U.S. leader said. "Iran must abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions," he said. "Despite what the regime tells you, we have no objection to Iran's pursuit of a truly peaceful nuclear power program." He said he hoped to see "the day when you can live in freedom, and America and Iran can be good friends and close partners in the cause of peace."

Ahmadinejad took the podium hours later, denouncing U.S. policies in Iraq and Lebanon and accusing Washington of abusing its power in the Security Council to punish others while protecting its own interests and allies. The hard-line leader insisted that his nation's nuclear activities are "transparent, peaceful and under the watchful eye" of inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog. He also reiterated his nation's commitment to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Earlier this month, Ahmadinejad proposed a debate with Mr. Bush at the General Assembly's ministerial meeting after the White House dismissed a previous TV debate proposal as a "diversion" from serious concerns over Iran's nuclear program.


Chavez holds up a book by Noam Chomsky as he addresses the General Assembly.

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Chavez brands Bush "an alcoholic and a sick man"
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 06:58:19 AM »
Sep. 21, 2006

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez branded US President George Bush "an alcoholic and a sick man," during his appearance at a Harlem church on Thursday, receiving a round of applause from people in the crowd, which included actor Danny Glover, activists and other supporters. Chavez also promised to double the amount of discounted heating oil his country was shipping to needy Americans.

The Venezuelan leader also called Bush's policies in Iraq criminal, adding he hoped Americans would before long "awaken" and elect a better president. He said that while he opposed Bush, the American people "are our friends."

"He is an alcoholic. He is a sick man, full of complexes and very dangerous," Chávez said of Bush, who has admitted to a drinking problem in his youth. "I hope one day the United States will elect a president with whom we can talk and work and sit down as equals," Chávez continued. "Not this gentleman who comes walking in like that cowboy, what's his name, John Wayne." "He got where he is in politics because of Daddy," Chávez said, then added of the Bush administration, "Those of you within the great beast must bring it down!"

The comments from the pugnacious Chávez, who continually accuses the United States of plotting to overthrow him to steal Venezuela's vast oil reserves, were sure to exacerbate already tense relations with the White House. Thursday, even prominent Democrats, including former President Bill Clinton and Rep. Charles Rangel (D-Harlem), criticized Chávez for insulting Bush at the UN. "Hugo Chávez said something that was wrong yesterday -- unbecoming a head of state," Clinton said on NBC's "Today" show. "Don't think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," Rangel, usually a harsh critic of the Bush administration, told reporters.

In Maine, Republican lawmakers and Gov. John Baldacci said they would no longer participate in the heating program because of Chávez's "offensive" remarks. But Chávez's comments drew laughter and applause at Mount Olivet Baptist Church, which was packed with African-American activists including Danny Glover and a group of Unangax Indians from the Aleutian Islands off Alaska, who danced for the Venezuelan president in face paint, feathers, bead headdresses and robes trimmed in sea otter fur. The Unangax and other Alaskan Indians were flown here at Venezuela's expense to thank Chávez for his heating-oil program, which he started last winter, suggesting the United States doesn't properly care for its poor. This winter, the program will sell fuel at 40 percent discounts to more than 450,000 families in 18 states, including about 125,000 families in all five boroughs of New York City, through Venezuela's U.S. subsidiary, Citgo. That is 21/2 times the program's reach last year.

The Alaskan Indians, who offered Chávez a figurine of a walrus carved from a whale bone, said the program was manna because heating fuel costs up to $8 a gallon in frigid Alaska, a huge sum for tribes that subsist on fishing. They faulted the Bush administration for high prices in a state that produces one-tenth of U.S. petroleum. New York City residents were equally grateful. "I think he's kind of right about Bush being the devil," said Virginia Lucas, 53, a disabled resident of the Mount Hope housing projects in the Bronx who received the subsidized fuel last winter. "It's disgusting that in a country as rich as ours, aid for poor folks has to come from a foreign government."

Chávez also repeated past criticisms of U.S.-led efforts to thwart the nuclear ambitions of his close ally, Iran, and of Israel's bombing of Lebanon. That latter stance Thursday prompted Iran-backed Hezbollah militants in Lebanon to erect posters reading, "Gracias, Chávez!" Moreover, he said, he is considering importing coca from ally Bolivia to produce high-fiber bread. That was another taunt to the United States, which is sparring with Bolivia over its production of coca, the plant chewed raw by indigenous Andean peoples as a mild stimulant that when processed becomes cocaine.

Chávez's choice of Harlem for the event was a nod to his mentor, Fidel Castro of Cuba, who stayed here in 1960 at the invitation of the famed black nationalist Malcolm X. At the Olivet church, listeners cheered when Chávez said American Indians and African-Americans share a legacy of discrimination with Venezuela's indigenous and Afro-descendant slave populations, who he said were "massacred" by Spanish colonists.

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Re: Chavez brands Bush "an alcoholic and a sick man"
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006, 07:03:35 AM »

"Don't think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," Rangel, usually a harsh critic of the Bush administration, told reporters.



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Re: Chavez Calls Bush 'The Devil'
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2006, 11:12:18 PM »


Chavez holds up a book by Noam Chomsky as he addresses the General Assembly.


Could anyone comment on this book, what is about, etc

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Re: Chavez Calls Bush 'The Devil'
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 08:12:42 PM »


Chavez holds up a book by Noam Chomsky as he addresses the General Assembly.


Could anyone comment on this book, what is about, etc

Noam Chomsky's 2003 book, "Hegemony or Survival," presents a view of American foreign policy, which lies in stark contrast to that depicted by corporate media, popular pundits, and US heads of state. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the US has emerged as the preeminent superpower of the world and Chomsky dissects with meticulous research how the United States has chosen to leverage that position to pursue an "imperial grand strategy", which will ensure itself "unilateral world domination through absolute military superiority".

What sets Chomsky's work apart from so many others who write social and political theory today is that he is equally critical of the Democratic party as he is of the Republican party. Chomsky's theory portrays America's foreign policy as being consistent across partisan lines. Democrats and Republicans for that matter appear more as two wings of a capitalist, imperialist party than the two vastly different political ideologies that are presented in the popular media. The real meat of Chomsky's work lies in the analysis produced from a re-examination of history. By examining key moments in America's history, Chomsky is able to elicit a more consistent and plausible set of motives for US foreign policy actions rather than the hyperbolic calls for democracy and totalitarian regime change that we have become so accustomed to hearing.

Questions immediately begin to rise to the surface while Chomsky exhumes the historical record and aligns it back into context. Was the United States really concerned with democracy when it supported a viscous proxy war in Nicaragua, even though their government had been democratically elected? Is the United States government hypocritical when it condemns state sponsored terrorism when it sponsored terrorism itself against such countries as Cuba and Nicaragua. And, how does the United States rationalize the School of the Americas, which has long been understood as a training ground for Latin American neo-fascist terrorists? Is the United States truly interested in peace in the Middle East when it denies the "Saudi Plan" set forth in early 2002, which would offer "full recognition and integration [of Israel] into the region in exchange for withdrawal to the 1967 borders?" Why did we go to war with Iraq when no imminent threat of WMD's could be found, no connection to Al Qaida could be proven, and multiple studies were produced by leading agencies suggesting that invading Iraq would only decrease domestic security?

The answers for Chomsky are surprisingly consistent with what he feels are a foreign policy guided by imperial global expansion and military dominance. Countries must be aligned with US interest in order to ensure capital penetration and corporate and military hegemony. If a country does not choose to align, then it will wind up a target of US backed aggression, or branded a terrorist state. In 1965,Indonesia expressed its intention to elder statesman Ellsworth Bunker that they wished to "'stand on their own two feet in developing their economy, free from foreign, especially Western influence'.
A National Intelligence Estimate in September 1965 warned that if the efforts of the mass-based PKI 'to energize and unite the Indonesian nation ... succeeded, Indonesia would provide a powerful example for the underdeveloped world and hence a credit to communism and a setback for Western prestige." A US backed coup ensued, killing close to 1,000,000 people, and installed the brutal dictator General Suharto. This is the cost, Chomsky highlights, of not aligning with the "master" state.

If a country does choose to align, as is the case with countries like Israel and Turkey, they become client states and are protected under the aegis of the American military, and given monetary and military aid. Although Turkey is run by an iron fisted dictator with an abysmal human rights record, the US government makes concessions for Turkey's actions, as it is a client state and performs a strategic role in the interest of the American government.This notion of the client state is why popular solutions to the Middle East crisis like the "Saudi Plan" are not accepted. Israel's role as Middle East policeman is too strategically important to deny Israel it's own expansionist desires.

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Re: Pope Benedict XVI The Creep
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 06:40:10 AM »
The same Loop bank was robbed twice Monday by two different men, a third bank was held up and a fourth was the scene of an attempted heist, police said. About 11:30 a.m., a robbery was reported at the Bank of America branch at 205 W. Monroe St., Central District Capt. Joseph Vaclavik said. A tall man in his 50s or early 60s with salt-and-pepper hair and wearing a gray business suit told a teller he had a gun and announced a robbery, Vaclavik said.

"He said he wanted money and to hurry, hurry, hurry," Vaclavik said.

The man did not display a gun. The teller gave the man cash and he fled west on Monroe. About three hours later, at 2:50 p.m., another robbery was reported at the same bank, which had reopened after the investigation of the first heist ended, police said. A man in his 30s, wearing a red hat and red shirt, robbed the bank and was seen running north on Wells Street, witnesses told police, according to Vaclavik.

The third robbery occurred about 9:42 a.m. at the Plaza Bank branch at 5601 W. Belmont Ave. on the Northwest Side, said Tom Simon, a spokesman for the FBI's Chicago office. The robber approached a teller with a note implying he had a weapon and demanding cash, Simon said. The teller gave an undisclosed amount of money and the man fled. Witnesses said the robber appeared to be in his 20s, about 5 feet tall, 130 pounds, with a thin mustache, Simon said.

At about 5:30 p.m., a 43-year-old man entered the Washington Mutual Bank branch at 609 W. North Ave. and handed a female teller a note threatening her if she didn't hand over money, said police Officer Kristina Schuler. The teller triggered a silent alarm and stalled the suspect until Near North District officers arrived, Schuler said. The officers took the man into custody inside the bank without incident, she said. The case was handed over to the FBI for charging, Schuler said.

Authorities were looking into whether the man was connected to other robberies, she said.

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Re: Pope Benedict XVI The Creep
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 10:16:25 AM »
pope told the truth. Violent religion, that was spread by the sword.

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Re: Pope Benedict XVI The Creep
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 11:52:21 AM »
pope told the truth. Violent religion, that was spread by the sword.

*gasp*  How dare you!  if you don't watch yourself i'll issue a fatwa against you.  how would you like that? don't make me fatwa your ass! ;)

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Re: Pope Benedict XVI The Creep
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2006, 01:07:18 PM »
lol