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Re: The more things change the more they are the same
« Reply #90 on: July 04, 2007, 04:54:02 AM »

Another stupid murderer was Lowell "Ed" Amos, a former Detroit business man whose mother and 3 wives died under suspicious circumstances. He was convicted in 1996 of murdering his third wife, Roberta "Bobbie" Mowery Amos (there's a 2006 Lifetime Network made-for-TV movie called "Black Widower.") Lowell was a former General Motors plant manager, and came from Anderson, Indiana. In December of 1994, Lowell and wife Roberta attended a company executive party at the Atheneum Hotel in Detroit. The Amos's went to their suite at 4:30am. At 8:30am, Lowell called Norbert Crabtree, another executive from the party, and seemed to be in a panic. Crabtree and another hotel guest named Daniel Porcasi went to the room, and Lowell told them that Roberta had died in an accident. Lowell said he needed to cleanup before calling police, and he asked Crabtree to take a leather case for him, which he did. Crabtree looked inside, and found a sports coat, a syringe without a needle, and a foul-smelling washcloth inside. Amos later reclaimed the bag, and its contents disappeared.

Amos told police that he and Roberta had engaged in sexual acts involving cocaine, and claimed she was still taking the cocaine when he fell asleep. He told police that she could not snort the drug due to a sinus problem, and that instead she took it "inside" her body (in her female private part) He said that when he woke up she was dead. Bobby's body contained over 15 times the lethal dose of the drug. Autopsy revealed that there was cocaine inside Roberta's vagina, but none externally. Prosecution said that he first gave her a glass of wine with two crushed Xanax in it, then when she was passed-out, he injected her vagina with the cocaine (dissolved in water), and then smothered her with the pillow when she began to convulse. On October 24th, 1996, Lowell was convicted of premeditated murder and murder using a toxic substance, both considered separate charges of first-degree murder.


Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..

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Re: What's good about being an attorney?
« Reply #91 on: July 04, 2007, 07:39:45 PM »

Another stupid murderer was Lowell "Ed" Amos, a former Detroit business man whose mother and 3 wives died under suspicious circumstances. He was convicted in 1996 of murdering his third wife, Roberta "Bobbie" Mowery Amos (there's a 2006 Lifetime Network made-for-TV movie called "Black Widower.") Lowell was a former General Motors plant manager, and came from Anderson, Indiana. In December of 1994, Lowell and wife Roberta attended a company executive party at the Atheneum Hotel in Detroit. The Amos's went to their suite at 4:30am. At 8:30am, Lowell called Norbert Crabtree, another executive from the party, and seemed to be in a panic. Crabtree and another hotel guest named Daniel Porcasi went to the room, and Lowell told them that Roberta had died in an accident. Lowell said he needed to cleanup before calling police, and he asked Crabtree to take a leather case for him, which he did. Crabtree looked inside, and found a sports coat, a syringe without a needle, and a foul-smelling washcloth inside. Amos later reclaimed the bag, and its contents disappeared.

Amos told police that he and Roberta had engaged in sexual acts involving cocaine, and claimed she was still taking the cocaine when he fell asleep. He told police that she could not snort the drug due to a sinus problem, and that instead she took it "inside" her body (in her female private part) He said that when he woke up she was dead. Bobby's body contained over 15 times the lethal dose of the drug. Autopsy revealed that there was cocaine inside Roberta's vagina, but none externally. Prosecution said that he first gave her a glass of wine with two crushed Xanax in it, then when she was passed-out, he injected her vagina with the cocaine (dissolved in water), and then smothered her with the pillow when she began to convulse. On October 24th, 1996, Lowell was convicted of premeditated murder and murder using a toxic substance, both considered separate charges of first-degree murder.


Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


I tend to believe that injecting her with coke was more of a ruse rather than the actual killing method -- that is to say, he killed her and his other victims by smothering them (which he could have done very conveniently after they passed out due to the wine/Xanax combo he gave them) -- but he needed a medical cause of death for their supposedly accidental death, reason why he had to introduce coke into their bodies.

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Re: What's good about being an attorney?
« Reply #92 on: July 04, 2007, 08:42:10 PM »


Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


I tend to believe that injecting her with coke was more of a ruse rather than the actual killing method -- that is to say, he killed her and his other victims by smothering them (which he could have done very conveniently after they passed out due to the wine/Xanax combo he gave them) -- but he needed a medical cause of death for their supposedly accidental death, reason why he had to introduce coke into their bodies.


Exactly! Basically he killed his victims by carefully smothering them in order to leave no signs of violence on the bodies. The method was largely similar to that of Burke and Hare (William Burke and William Hare were two men who had moved to Scotland to work as laborers on the Union Canal and who began robbing graves to sell the corpses to Dr. Robert Knox, a popular anatomist at the Edinburgh Medical School.) Edinburgh's many schools and anatomists were willful participants in the trade in corpses -- this was so prevalent that watchtowers, iron fences, and defensive walls were built around Edinburgh's cemeteries in an effort to protect the bodies of the recently interred. Burke and Hare's distinction was that they decided to make their unpleasant job a little less arduous by eliminating the whole messy enterprise of digging up rotting corpses; instead, they simply killed people at random and delivered them fresh to Dr. Knox, who was good enough not to ask any awkward questions.

Settling first in Glasow, they found work in the construction of the Falkirk Canal. On its completion, the pair moved to Edinburgh, settling in a boarding house in Tanners Lane. Hare soon took a liking to the landlady, Margaret Laird, and soon entered into a relationship with her. Burke's mistress Helen MacDougal also took up residence in the house. Returning one night to find Laird in tears, Hare inquired as to what was wrong. It transpired that a lodger who had been staying in the boarding house had passed away the previous night, leaving several months rent unpaid. Laird had searched his room, but had found nothing. A coroner had pronounced the man dead, and his body lay in a coffin on the upper floors of the boarding house awaiting collection. That night, Burke and Hare entered the room where the coffin lay brandishing a crowbar. Together they prised off the lid of the coffin and removed the corpse. The coffin was sealed again, after being filled with bricks. The highlanders body was then carried to the house of Robert Knox (a relative of John Knox), who purchased the corpse for dissection in the medical faculty in Edinburgh for around 10 pounds, three times the rent owed for the rent.

Shortly after this incident, another resident of the boarding house lay on his deathbed. Burke and Hare waited, but his decline was taking weeks, and shortly the pair grew impatient and, entering his room by night, proceeded to smother him with his pillow. Again the body was taken to Dr. Knox, where it was sold for the sum of 10 pounds. It was at this point that Burke and Hare realised just how much money they stood to make out of their new-found trade, however neither of them wished to spend their nights freezing in a graveyard exhuming the corpses of the recently deceased. Instead, they formulated a faster, more efficient plan for acquiring corpses. Their plan was first put into effect in February 1828. First they selected their victim, this time an elderly woman named Abigail Simpson. They befriended her, took her back to their house in Tanners Close, where they plied her with drink. The next morning, they gave her yet more alcohol, until she was barely conscious. At this point, Hare held her down, while Burke, using his middle and index finger to pinch her nostrils closed and his thumb on her chin to hold close her mouth, suffocated her. Her body was taken to Knox, who, after commenting on how fresh it was, accepted the corpse. As usual, the pair had made themselves 10 pounds, minus the price of the gin used to intoxicate Abigail.

For months Burke and Hare carried out their gruesome plan, first selecting their victim, a person new to Edinburgh without any family to miss them, before plying them with drink at Tanners Close before suffocation. The two were indiscriminate about who they killed; as long as they fitted into the two categories listed above, they would suffice. They are known to have killed men, women and children. At one point, Burke and Hare came close to capture after becoming careless. In an attempt to double their earnings, they picked up two local prostitutes, Janet Brown and Mary Paterson, both of whom were plied with drink. While Patterson obligingly drank herself senseless, Janet Brown was more suspicious and, became so uneasy with the attention given to her by Burke decided to leave, therefore saving herself. Her friend, however, was less fortunate. Like the others, Mary Patterson was murdered in her drunken state. Unlike the previous victims, however, Patterson was a well-known figure in Edinburgh, having been in her trade for a number of years. When one of Dr. Knox's students was called to dissect the corpse, he immediately recognised her, having recently 'made use' of her services. Too embarrassed to mention this on front of his professors, he proceeded to dissect her, rendering her beyond recognition. Despite their crucial mistake, Burke and Hare remained undiscovered.

After this incident, they continued in their trade, at one point killing the daughter of their second victim. At one point Burke brought back an old woman and her grand-child. After dispatching the old woman, Burke took the boy, a deaf-mute, and murdered him, breaking the boy's spine over his knee. Difficulties between the two began to arise. After Hare carried out a transaction with Knox in Burke's absence, the pair had a ferocious argument, resulting in Burke and MacDougal leaving the house in Tanners Close, moving to a house near the west-port. Their separate accommodation helped to repair their friendship however, and soon they were back to killing. The next victim was Helen's cousin Anne MacDougal, who lived in Falkirk. Burke and Hare invited her over to stay with them, before killing her in their usual way. Both Helen MacDougal and Margaret Laird were aware that the killing was taking place and are known to have encouraged it. One of their final victims was known locally as 'Daft Jamie', a friendly and well-known man thought of as 'simple' and as a result often the butt of jokes by local children. He was dispatched in the usual manner, but was recognised on the operating table, and people noticed his absence on the streets. He was reported to the police as missing.

One night Burke brought home a woman called Mrs. Docherty. She was plied with drinks as was their usual procedure, however this time there were others in the boarding house. When they left to get more alcohol, Burke and Hare seized their chance and killed Mrs. Docherty. When the others returned, they inquired as to the whereabouts of Docherty. He apparently came across as paranoid and insisted that nobody went near the bed. Needless to say, at the first opportunity, somebody looked under the bed, where they found the body of Mrs. Docherty, covered in straw. Despite the bribes offered by Burke to keep the body a secret, the police were summoned, and Burke, Hare, Laird and MacDougal were all swiftly arrested. Hare and Laird turned Kings Witness, meaning that they were allowed to go free provided that they appear as witnesses at the trial of both Burke and MacDougal. This they did, before leaving to go to London, where it is said that Hare died a blind beggar after being pushed into a lime pit by a gang of Scots who recognised him. Laird was never heard of again. MacDougal was released after the jury returned a verdict of 'not guilty'. William Burke was found guilty of 16 charges of murder and sentenced to hang. This done, his body was stripped of its flesh, which was sold to the spectators. His skeleton is still on display in the Black Museum in the medical libraries in Edinburgh, along with a diary made from his flesh. A wallet made from his skin was reputably sold in England for over 2000 to a private collector. It should be noted that John Knox was never brought to trial.

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Re: The more things change the more they are the same
« Reply #93 on: July 04, 2007, 11:31:10 PM »

Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


Indeed a stupid one! I mean, why did he inject her vagina with so much cocaine when he could have easily injected the "right amount" of it into her veins?

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« Reply #94 on: July 04, 2007, 11:40:42 PM »

Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


Indeed a stupid one! I mean, why did he inject her vagina with so much cocaine when he could have easily injected the "right amount" of it into her veins?


It's not clear what he did; all we read about him, as to how he killed his victims -- if he did kill them -- are speculations by the prosecution. I mean, your observation makes sense, just like it's conceivable that he did not have to use cocaine at all -- he could have just put some more Xanax on her wine and that would be it!

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« Reply #95 on: July 05, 2007, 11:17:52 PM »

Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


Indeed a stupid one! I mean, why did he inject her vagina with so much cocaine when he could have easily injected the "right amount" of it into her veins?


I think the sex thing was an integral part of his killing scheme. 

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« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2007, 11:33:03 PM »

Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


Amos forced coke into her female private part because the mucous membrane walls of twats absorb the coke into the bloodstream quickly and very effectively. Understandably Bobby had done such a things many times before for fun (a tingling sensation results).

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« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2007, 04:03:10 AM »
The idea that I'm becoming one.

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« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2007, 07:19:55 PM »

Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


Amos forced coke into her female private part because the mucous membrane walls of twats absorb the coke into the bloodstream quickly and very effectively. Understandably Bobby had done such a things many times before for fun (a tingling sensation results).


Looks like there were no traces of cocaine outside/in the vicinity of her female private part, though ..

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« Reply #99 on: July 13, 2007, 06:31:13 AM »

Another stupid murderer was Lowell "Ed" Amos, a former Detroit business man whose mother and 3 wives died under suspicious circumstances. He was convicted in 1996 of murdering his third wife, Roberta "Bobbie" Mowery Amos (there's a 2006 Lifetime Network made-for-TV movie called "Black Widower.") Lowell was a former General Motors plant manager, and came from Anderson, Indiana. In December of 1994, Lowell and wife Roberta attended a company executive party at the Atheneum Hotel in Detroit. The Amos's went to their suite at 4:30am. At 8:30am, Lowell called Norbert Crabtree, another executive from the party, and seemed to be in a panic. Crabtree and another hotel guest named Daniel Porcasi went to the room, and Lowell told them that Roberta had died in an accident. Lowell said he needed to cleanup before calling police, and he asked Crabtree to take a leather case for him, which he did. Crabtree looked inside, and found a sports coat, a syringe without a needle, and a foul-smelling washcloth inside. Amos later reclaimed the bag, and its contents disappeared.

Amos told police that he and Roberta had engaged in sexual acts involving cocaine, and claimed she was still taking the cocaine when he fell asleep. He told police that she could not snort the drug due to a sinus problem, and that instead she took it "inside" her body (in her female private part) He said that when he woke up she was dead. Bobby's body contained over 15 times the lethal dose of the drug. Autopsy revealed that there was cocaine inside Roberta's vagina, but none externally. Prosecution said that he first gave her a glass of wine with two crushed Xanax in it, then when she was passed-out, he injected her vagina with the cocaine (dissolved in water), and then smothered her with the pillow when she began to convulse. On October 24th, 1996, Lowell was convicted of premeditated murder and murder using a toxic substance, both considered separate charges of first-degree murder.


Just to be sure I'm getting this right - he used the syringe with no needle to inject Bobby's vagina with the cocaine dissolved in water in such a quantity that it would kill her? But then why did he have to smother her with the pillow, she would die by herself..


There'd be too much noise, she began to convulse pretty bad and it could take some time until she'd expire on her own.