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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2006, 09:04:43 PM »
thanx for letting us know, kinkajou ... your post is kinda funny taken into account that is totally unrelated to what was being discussed ..

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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2007, 12:29:11 AM »

Some people use a made up number, some others actually buy the SS card of somebody else to whom was legally issued to, and some others secure a legal SSN fraudulently via a fake birth certificate.


A 54-year-old homemaker owns one house. Imagine her shock when she was told that her Social Security number had been used to buy two houses in Ohio and one in Texas. The four combined mortgages totaled more than $500,000. Then there were the 9 car loans totaling more than $200,000. And 10 additional credit lines from various department stores and wireless service providers. An investigation by the Social Security Administration revealed that an illegal immigrant was using her Social Security number as a means to enjoy his slice of the American dream. And like most folks in this country, he was using credit to do it.

There are an estimated 9 million illegal aliens living in the U.S. In order to work and obtain credit, they need Social Security numbers something they cannot obtain legitimately because of their illegal immigrant status. But a fake number isn't hard to get. There's a very good black market that has fostered this. You can buy a Social Security card on the street for $20. Fake cards are produced and sold by organized crime groups, which generate Social Security numbers and sell them to illegal immigrants with their own names on the card. The numbers, however, often belong to real people.

The result can be a bizarre form of identity theft. Traditional theft typically involves a person stealing someone's name and identification and then racking up huge debts under that name. But with Social Security-number-only theft, oftentimes abusers have no intent of stealing anybody's good credit. They simply want the number so they can work and establish their own lines of credit in their own name. In essence, two separate identities are created from one Social Security number. Even in above-mentioned case, where there were a suspiciously large number of loans, the perpetrator had kept current on most of his payments, although the victim says he's under criminal investigation for other activities.

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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2007, 02:29:13 AM »

Some people use a made up number, some others actually buy the SS card of somebody else to whom was legally issued to, and some others secure a legal SSN fraudulently via a fake birth certificate.


There are an estimated 9 million illegal aliens living in the U.S. In order to work and obtain credit, they need Social Security numbers — something they cannot obtain legitimately because of their illegal immigrant status. But a fake number isn't hard to get. There's a very good black market that has fostered this. You can buy a Social Security card on the street for $20. Fake cards are produced and sold by organized crime groups, which generate Social Security numbers and sell them to illegal immigrants with their own names on the card. The numbers, however, often belong to real people.


I've heard they change the letters so that it'll resemble to the real name, but I don't think the actual number XXX-XX-XXXX belongs to a real person, even if the changed name and last name is the same as that of several other people ("Maria Grazia" gets changed to "Marta Graziola" for example)

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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2007, 09:33:22 PM »

I've heard they change the letters so that it'll resemble to the real name, but I don't think the actual number XXX-XX-XXXX belongs to a real person, even if the changed name and last name is the same as that of several other people ("Maria Grazia" gets changed to "Marta Graziola" for example)


Could you elaborate a bit on the issue, lmn?

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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2007, 07:00:36 AM »

In February 2003, the New York Senator and former First Lady Hillary Clinton announced that she would support a national identification card for US citizens claiming that she would support it as part of an overall effort to improve national security.

"Clearly, we have to make some tough decisions as a country," Clinton warned. "And one of them ought to be coming up with a much better entry and exit system so that if we're going to let people in for the work that otherwise would not be done, let's have a system that keeps track of them."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BcHnO_vo6M

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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2007, 06:52:46 AM »

In February 2003, the New York Senator and former First Lady Hillary Clinton announced that she would support a national identification card for US citizens claiming that she would support it as part of an overall effort to improve national security.

"Clearly, we have to make some tough decisions as a country," Clinton warned. "And one of them ought to be coming up with a much better entry and exit system so that if we're going to let people in for the work that otherwise would not be done, let's have a system that keeps track of them."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BcHnO_vo6M


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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2007, 04:39:47 AM »
Very interesting pourquoi pas, very interesting posts!

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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2007, 02:41:36 AM »
It's not incredibly hard to figure out (with decent probability) someone's driver's license number. Of course, the key is to know how the number is generated in the first place. Thanks to some public information and a little Perl, we can easily and rapidly calculate people's driver's license numbers

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~sstamm/projects/dl/

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Re: Social Security Numbers = De Facto National ID Card
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2007, 02:49:03 AM »

http://www.highprogrammer.com/cgi-bin/uniqueid/dl_fl

So is there a way to figure the Social Security Number of someone once you know his/her Drivers License Number?