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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2006, 09:47:27 AM »
Why are guys imposing us this Wurtzel thing here? She's gone to the point of getting hooked to heroin, what kind of f**cking example does she set for law students? I'd understand someone who uses from time to time Adderall and Ritalin, maybe even coke, but heroin?! Elizabeth Wurtzel may be beautiful, but sorry, she's a whore!

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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2006, 04:25:40 AM »

Why are guys imposing us this Wurtzel thing here? She's gone to the point of getting hooked to heroin, what kind of f**cking example does she set for law students? I'd understand someone who uses from time to time Adderall and Ritalin, maybe even coke, but heroin?! Elizabeth Wurtzel may be beautiful, but sorry, she's a whore!


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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2006, 06:00:26 AM »
I'd assume there's a strong positive correlation. But I forgot what heroin abuse has to do with law school...


Why are guys imposing us this Wurtzel thing here? She's gone to the point of getting hooked to heroin, what kind of f**cking example does she set for law students? I'd understand someone who uses from time to time Adderall and Ritalin, maybe even coke, but heroin?! Elizabeth Wurtzel may be beautiful, but sorry, she's a whore!


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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2006, 08:27:05 PM »

But I forgot what heroin abuse has to do with law school...


Beth Wurtzel, a heroin abuser, is going to Yale law school.

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THE GREAT A.D.D. HOAX
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2006, 08:35:03 PM »

If you think that you might legitimately hvae ADHD then see a doctor. There is a book called Driven to Distraction that is an excellent resource. If you recieve a diagnosis you may be perscribed medication and/or therapy. 

If not, then stand up and do this on your own merits. The results of taking the drugs could be unpredictable at best, and you will underminine your own sense of achievement. 


ADHD is a myth!

by David Keirsey

The reason I speak of a hoax in the case of "attention deficit disorder" is that there is no such "mental disorder" to "diagnose" and "treat." And the reason I speak of a great hoax is that the less competent medical practitioners use this phony "diagnosis" as a warrant to "treat" millions of school children (over 5,000,000) per year by intoxicating them with brain-disabling narcotics.

And make no mistake about the power of Ritalin to disable and eventually shrink the brain. It differs little in its destructive effects from cocaine and the amphetamines, and is fast becoming the drug of choice among addicts in high schools and colleges. Children in middle schools and high schools who are required to take Ritalin daily at school are now selling their pills to their friends who want to get a quick fix. Of late the victims of pill pushers are fast becoming pill pushers themselves!

Medical practitioners have chosen the word 'attention' as the key to one of 400 or so "mental disorders" they've listed in their "diagnostic manual." They say that some children don't "have" enough attention to succeed in school, and that it is wise to try to increase their attention with stimulant drugs. They say these children can't pay attention even if they try to.

But psychologists and other behavioral scientists say attention is a form of consciousness, hence a hypothetical mental event and not something that can be observed. Of course by noting what a child is doing we can guess what that child is paying attention to, and guesswork is OK for trying out different kinds of social intervention with children. But it's not OK for trying out different kinds of physical intervention. The latter can, and often does, have irreversible consequences which are far worse than the "disorder" that is being "treated" (in the case of Ritalin, stunting of growth, brain atrophy, loss of muscular control, loss of self-regard).

Clearly medical intervention differs markedly from psychological intervention. Medical practitioners treat disorders while corrective counselors counsel persons. Counselors join children in their social context, medics invade children's brains-it's social intervention versus physical interference.

According to the medical manual of mental disorders there are ten symptoms of attention deficit which are said to cause the impairment of attention. Most of these allegedly causal symptoms are that a child pays too little attention to assignments, the rest being that this child pays too much attention to things other than assignments. When these symptoms are assumed to be present the claim is that they cause impairment of the child's capacity to attend to assignments.

One problem with this idea is that what the medics call "symptoms" are supposed to be observable, that is visible or audible signs of something wrong. But attention is not visible or audible. Rather it's something that we guess is going on in the brain of the person we're observing, when all we can see or hear is what the person is doing. When a school boy is observed just sitting and seemingly doing nothing it's impossible to tell what he's paying attention to. Of course it's obvious he's not actively engaged in doing his assignment; whatever he's thinking about can only be a matter of conjecture.

The other problem with the idea of attention deficit is that the medics apparently believe it is caused by its symptoms. For sure the medics have got it backwards, and some of us are surprised that they haven't noticed such an obvious error. Even though medical practitioners aren't scientists they ought to know better than that. It's preposterous to say that the symptoms of attention deficit cause the deficit of attention. Even though preposterous, the medics seem to mean what they say. For example they say that "Some hyperactive-impulsive or inattentive symptoms that cause impairment must have been present before age 7 years." Also they say that "Some impairment from the symptoms must be present in at least two settings (e.g. at school [or work] and at home)." [DSM IV, italics mine]

If I were a medic Id be embarrassed by this sort of talk, and I suppose that the more competent medics are somewhat embarrassed by this obvious error. In any case the essay on attention deficit in the DSM-IV is so poorly written that it's a wonder anybody takes it seriously. Unfortunately a lot of medical practitioners in America do take it seriously and even (to my embarrassment) so do some psychologists.

By the way, European children seem immune to the disease so the market for Ritalin is largely confined to America.

The expression "A.D.D." is relatively new in the medical lexicon. Before its arrival on the scene educators had other names to call the children who did poor work at school, expressions such as  "educationally handicapped," "learning disabled," "dyslexic," and other impressive but undefined designations. But since invoking the magical "A.D.D." label quickly gets children zapped and zombied with Ritalin, with no questions asked about the teacher's part in the child's behavior, small wonder that the other disguised pejoratives used by educators are used less frequently.

THE TEN "CAUSAL SYMPTOMS" OF "A.D.D." LISTED IN THE DSM IV:

RARELY DO children AFFLICTED "WITH A.D.D."
  1) OBEY SCHOOLWORK DIRECTIVES
  2) SUSTAIN ATTENTION TO SCHOOLWORK
  3) BOTHER WITH SCHOOLWORK DETAILS
  4) TRY TO AVOID DISTRACTIONS FROM SCHOOLWORK
  5) TRY TO AVOID MISTAKES IN DOING SCHOOLWORK
  6) LISTEN TO THE TEACHER'S DIRECTIVES
  7) REMEMBER SCHOOL ROUTINES
  8  PREPARE FOR SCHOOLWORK
  9) ORGANIZE SCHOOLWORK TASKS
 10) LIKE TO DO SCHOOLWORK

The claim is that children can't do these things because there's something wrong with their brains. Nobody has come up with any evidence that it's their brain that's at fault, but they keep looking for it, certain that sooner or later they'll find it. In the meantime they fall back on the idea that there's some sort of "chemical imbalance" in the brains of these children which can be set right by brain altering chemicals. This is nonsense and they know it, but it quiets the fears of parents regarding the negative consequences of using these drugs. What the parents aren't told is that stimulants, like sedatives and tranquilizers, are brain disabling drugs.

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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2006, 08:36:38 PM »
LET'S EXAMINE THESE SIGNS OF IMPAIRMENT ONE BY ONE:

1) DOESN'T OBEY SCHOOLWORK DIRECTIVES-"often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork...."

Certain kinds of children are interested neither in pleasing certain kinds of teachers nor in doing their assignments. Most of these children are similar in temperament, and very different from their classmates. Most often they are Plato's "Artisans" (Aristotle's "Hedonics")-concrete in perception and impulsive in action, ever on the lookout for fun things to do in the here and now. With this sort of temperament it is not surprising that most schoolwork is unappealing to them. They, far more than other kinds of temperament, are prone to ignore or forget the order to do their assigned work. This is disinterest in the teacher's agenda, not inability to comply with it, and disinterest can hardly be taken as evidence of brain dysfunction. The problem is really a clash between two kinds of temperament: those who value opportunities to have fun and those who value schedules for getting work done.

2) DOESN'T SUSTAIN ATTENTION TO SCHOOLWORK-"often has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks..."

The claim here is that it's hard for such children to continue working on assignments even if they want to. But this presupposes that the child is trying to pay attention but fails in his attempt. It could be that his attention is elsewhere and that he's not trying to maintain attention on some task. If there's nothing in the assignment that appeals to this sort of temperament-concrete, impulsive, players-then it's unlikely that such children will want to continue doing it. The children I've known like this (in 20 years of casework) can sustain attention to tasks they're interested in for a very long time. Indeed, it's sometimes hard to tear them away from such tasks. And while it makes sense to blame temperament for this flagging interest in schoolwork, it's definitely unwise to blame the brain for it.

3) DOESN'T BOTHER WITH SCHOOLWORK DETAILS-"often fails to give close attention to details"

Those same concrete impulsives that won't bother with the details of schoolwork are usually capable of attending to details that their teacher can't even see, if the details are part of some exciting activity. But it is rather naive and a little foolish to expect them to attend to the details of clerical work such as practice in spelling, handwriting, grammar, or arithmetic. It's not that they can't attend to such matters, but that they don't care to. Sorry, but the brain is in no way implicated by this bothersome "symptom."

4) DOESN'T TRY TO AVOID DISTRACTIONS FROM SCHOOLWORK-"is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli"

Again, if they're not interested in pleasing their teacher, why should these concrete impulsives try to ward off the distractions that often occur so often in most classrooms? Letting themselves be distracted is a welcome relief from filling in the empty spaces on the mimeographed form on their desk. Concrete-impulsive option-oriented children are indeed "easily distracted" from what must seem to them useless exercises in futility. The degree of distractibility in a given child is determined entirely by the attractiveness of the assignment. As before, don't blame the brain, blame rather the disparity of aims on the part of teacher and pupil.

5) DOESN'T TRY TO AVOID MISTAKES IN DOING SCHOOLWORK-"makes careless mistakes in schoolwork..."

Certain kinds of children are careful and certain others are carefree. Trying to be accurate in doing assignments is not of much interest to the concrete impulsive types, who usually put as little effort as possible in doing school work. It isn't that they make mistakes as much as it is that they don't want to bother with such work. The tacit assumption is that the reason for their mistakes is that they can't keep their mind on their work. But this has to be a faulty assumption, it being much more likely that they're not interested in keeping their mind on their work. The medics got it right this time: these children make "careless mistakes" because they couldn't care less about the work they're supposed to do.

6) DOESN'T LISTEN TO THE TEACHER'S DIRECTIVES-"often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly"

These children are listening all right, even though they're not looking at the teacher. Why not? Because the teacher's usually getting after them for not working on their assignment. For that matter, even adults of this temperament won't look at whoever is giving them a bad time for their shortcomings. Why then expect children to? Doubtless they don't want to hear what's being said to them, but because they're smarter perceptually than other types they'll hear it all. Far from being deficient in this kind of attention, they are usually proficient in it, more proficient than other types of temperament.

7) DOESN'T REMEMBER SCHOOL ROUTINES-"is often forgetful in daily activities"

Some children just don't take to schedules. And when they grow up they still don't. The medics may have gotten this one right. These children do indeed forget things that are scheduled. Not because their brain won't let them, but because they simply aren't interested in such things. Indeed, some are temperamentally predisposed not only to ignore schedules but to resist them, because schedules preclude options. This is especially true of the more impulsive children who like to do exciting things on the spur of the moment (ten or twelve children per class). Small wonder that they remain oblivious to school routines- "daily activities"-when at any moment, if they keep their eyes peeled, some fun activity may show up. Remember that options and schedules do not mix very well.

8  DOESN'T PREPARE FOR SCHOOLWORK-"often loses things necessary for activities...."

The children that are on the lookout for fun options have no interest in getting prepared to go to work on those dull assignments they are supposed to complete. "Be prepared" is not exactly their motto. Indeed, theirs is more likely to be something like "grab ahold or lose out" or "go for it," something like that. Equipment to be used for upcoming activities, especially schoolwork, is of little concern to those who want to do interesting things here and now. Can't blame the brain for that.

9) DOESN'T ORGANIZE SCHOOLWORK TASKS-"often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities"

I'm surprised that the medics seem not to know that it's the teacher's job to design and schedule assignments, not the child's. The child's job is to do the assigned task and not "organize" it. I'm afraid the medics got this one wrong, but that's understandable because they know very little about what goes on in schools. In this case both the child's brain and temperament are exonerated.

10) DOESN'T LIKE TO DO SCHOOLWORK-"often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort..."

Bingo! The medics hit the nail right on the head. For sure these concrete impulsives don't like to expend the amount of effort required to concentrate on what they consider to be trivial pursuits. Let's face it, some teachers give dull assignments which bore and annoy certain temperaments, especially those boys that are very concrete and practical in their interests and abilities. It is natural that such a child "avoids, dislikes, and is reluctant to engage" in what are to him boring tasks. Give the perceptive-impulsive child a concrete and practical assignment and he will eagerly "engage in it" and will "like" doing it. In this neither brain nor temperament is guilty.

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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2006, 08:36:53 PM »
SIGNS OF IMPAIRMENT

Medics claim they can observe these ten signs of impaired consciousness. But that's nonsense because consciousness is not observable. So the ten signs of A.D.D. are merely guesses and therefore cannot be seriously considered as either criteria or symptoms of some hypothetical deficit of consciousness. And to claim that these bogus symptoms actually cause an impairment of consciousness is simply preposterous.

It is therefore evil that they persist in experimenting with brain disabling drugs to get children to do as they are told.

Bear in mind that school children are told to do three things: 1) stay put, 2) keep quiet, and 3) get to work. The so-called A.D.D. afflicted child obeys the first two directives, but disobeys the third: he stays put, keeps quiet, but doesn't get to work. His reason for dragging his heels is that he probably doesn't like to do schoolwork (criterion #10), at least the kind that the less capable teacher assigns him. It's as simple as that. It's ridiculous to probe around in his brain to see if there's something wrong with it. And its preposterous to disable his brain with drugs to "help him focus on his lessons." The problem is curriculum content and instructional method, not brain defect.

Remember that the medics who prescribe stimulant narcotics, in order to be licensed to practice, are required to swear the oath of Hippocrates that they will "do no harm." Yet each of them violates that oath by doing irreparable harm to children, even four year olds, who are merely attending to their own business instead of their teacher's.

There's nothing wrong with these children. Their inborn temperament prevents these concrete, fun loving, and impulsive children from adapting to the school. Some day in the not so distant future the school may come to realize that not all children can be scheduled and routinized, that children, like adults, are fundamentally different in this regard. Perhaps then the school might adapt itself to those children that do not fit its curriculum or its methods of instruction. Neither special education nor experimental narcotherapy is the way to treat children who disobey orders to get to work. After all, it isn't so much that these children can't work as it is that they don't want to work.

IN THE MEANTIME

It is not at all difficult to induce this type of child-concrete in thought and speech, utilitarian in pursuit of aims-to do his school work. Indeed, it is much easier to get the "inattentive" child to attend to the teacher's agenda than it is to get the "hyperactive" child to stop bothering his teacher and his classmates. In both cases, however, the solution is essentially the same: take away the abused privilege whenever it is abused, without comment.

The hyperactive child is dismissed when he does anything to disrupt the class, which is to say he loses the privilege of being a member of the class because he abused it. Those who want to learn how to do this  are advised to read my paper titled Abuse it-Lose it. The following is addressed to those who want to learn how to deprive a child of his privilege of being given assignments by his teacher, bearing in mind that the greatest privilege any schoolboy has is being assigned tasks by a teacher who is trying to educate him.

Some parents and teachers are aghast at the very idea of depriving a child of assignments-and without comment to boot! They usually predict that, deprived of assignments, such a child will be content to pursue his own interests and will be delighted that the teacher is no longer urging him to get to work. But wait. And not for long, depending, of course, on the age of the child. Those children with long experience of maneuvering teachers into getting after them to do their work will take longer than those without much experience of this kind.

You see, children don't know that being assigned tasks by their teacher is a privilege rather than an imposition. So they have to learn it the hard way. They have to experience being left out.. In their view the other kids seem to be busy doing their lessons and interacting now and then with the teacher, while the one deprived of lessons is being ignored. This sort of treatment gets old, quick, again depending on the child's experience.

It is then that the child discovers something very important to him: that he wants to get assignments just like the other kids. The truth of the matter is that he soon discovers that he doesn't have much of an agenda of his own to pursue. Oh, sure, he can find distractions now and then to occupy his attention, but these do not come often and they're not all that interesting anyway.

Now, if the child's teacher and parents can button their lips so that they don't tell the child about how important it is to do one's schoolwork, it shouldn't take very long before the child asks his teacher if he can have assignments like the rest. This kind of deprivation has to be done without commercials, without object lessons, without pep talks, without urging, reminding, or coaxing in any manner whatsoever. If the teacher reveals her hole card she'll lose the bet. Given a pep talk on the virtues of obediently doing ones schoolwork clues the child into what's going on. Knowing what's up he need only do nothing, and the teacher is forced to go back to getting after the child to do his work. Back to square one.

I do not suggest that the war is over with only one battle won. There will be others because this sort of child is really not interested in most of the assignments he'll get. So sooner or later there'll be some backsliding, in which case the abuse-it-lose-it method should be re-applied. The nice thing about asking for assignments is that by getting practice in reading, writing, listening, and talking in class the child gets better at doing these things and so increases his self-confidence, self-respect, and, in the long run, self-esteem. Eventually an interest in schooling may emerge, and the child need no longer struggle with teachers bout doing schoolwork. It is not in the nature of such children to become scholars, but they are unlikely, as many of their type are, to become dropouts when schooling becomes too irksome.

http://keirsey.com/addhoax.html

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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2006, 09:35:01 PM »

Cocaine's effects on other structures such as the caudate nucleus may explain certain secondary effects of this drug, such as increased stereotyped behaviours (nail biting, scratching, etc.)


Lip licking. Frequent lip-licking is another symptom of cocaine use.

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« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2006, 09:52:01 AM »

Adderall is "speed." Hope that helps.

P.S. When I used used to take Adderall and Ritalin per prescription, it completely killed my sex drive, which sucked.


Dr. Mary Holley, obstetrician and chairperson of Mothers Against Methamphetamine, informed the Associated Press that one's initial hit of meth is the equivalent of ten orgasms all on top of each other, each lasting for 30 minutes to an hour, with a feeling of arousal that lasts for another day and a half. She is quick to confess that the effect doesn't last long: "After you've been using [meth] about six months or so, you can't have sex unless you're high. After you have been using it a little bit longer you can't have sex even when you're high. Nothing happens. [Your penis] doesn't work."

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Re: Adderall-Law school finals/studying
« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2006, 10:43:11 AM »

[...] informed the Associated Press that one's initial hit of meth is the equivalent of ten orgasms all on top of each other, each lasting for 30 minutes to an hour, with a feeling of arousal that lasts for another day and a half. [...]


Sounds it's more powerful than the good 'ole crack!