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ElizaB

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Hess v Pawloski
« on: September 09, 2005, 05:46:32 PM »
Can someone explain Hess v Pawloski to me?  I don't understand what Hess's complaint was???  How did the situation supposedly violate due process?  Anyone know?
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Re: Hess v Pawloski
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2005, 06:07:55 PM »
Quote from: ElizaB on September 09, 2005, 05:46:32 PM
Can someone explain Hess v Pawloski to me?  I don't understand what Hess's complaint was???  How did the situation supposedly violate due process?  Anyone know?

Did you read Pennoyer?  If you did, you will see that Hess is basing his complaint on that. He says that since he is a nonresident of Massachusetts that Mass. cannot exercise in personam (personal) jurisdiction over him without his consent.

Basically the Massachusetts law said that if you drive on our roads you consent to our jurisdiction over you.  Thus, they appoint an "agent" by which they can serve you process and can hold you accountable for your driving activities in that state.

Hess is complaining that this violates his due process because he never actually consented to this appoint and as a nonresident he must consent in order to be under the personal jurisdiction of Mass.  He also challenges the constitutionality of the law I believe.
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Re: Hess v Pawloski
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2005, 07:19:31 PM »
Ah...the good ol' days of Civpro.

Jimmyjohn is correct - driving on a particular state road consents to jurisdiction.  On the flip side of this, if the driver was injured, they would want the state help (police, ambulances, hospitals) to assist him.
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Re: Hess v Pawloski
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2005, 12:18:58 AM »
Pennoyer was hell to read. Just dreadful the way some of the older cases are written.
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Re: Hess v Pawloski
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2005, 03:17:43 PM »
Thanks for the response!

That actually helped alot! 

I tried to read & brief the Pennoyer/Neff case, the Hess case & Shoe International all in one sitting on a Friday afternoon and by the time I got to Hess it wasn't making any sense anymore.  But your responses really helped.  I'm going to take a second look at it with your ideas in mind.
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Re: Hess v Pawloski
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2005, 03:25:20 AM »
Also, I think it can help you w. your understanding of minimal contacts and how that plays into long arm jurisdiction.
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Re: Hess v Pawloski
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2005, 09:58:24 AM »
Civ Pro makes me hot...
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Re: Hess v Pawloski
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005, 10:01:45 AM »
Civ Pro is hot.  You gotta have a good prof though.  It completely sucks according to everyone in the other section.
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