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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2005, 04:23:45 PM »
Ha, funny name Yom Kippur! What does it mean?
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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2005, 07:29:52 PM »
Ha, funny name Yom Kippur! What does it mean?

You don't know what "Yom Kippur" is?! It's the Jewish holiday of the Day of Atonement. The Bible calls the day Yom Hakippurim. It is one of the Yamim Noraim (Hebrew, "Days of Awe"). The Yamim Noraim consist of Rosh Hashanah, which is the first two days of the Ten Days of Repentance, and Yom Kippur, which is the last of the ten days.

In the Hebrew calendar Yom Kippur begins at nightfall starting the tenth day of the Hebrew month of Tishri (which falls in September/October), and continues until the next nightfall.

Yom Kippur will occur on the following dates in the next few years:

2005: October 13
2006: October 2
2007: September 22
2008: October 9
2009: September 28
2010: September 18

Yom Kippur is the Jewish day of repentance, considered to be the holiest and most solemn day of the year. Its central theme is atonement and reconciliation. Eating, drinking, bathing, cosmetics, wearing leather (including shoes), and conjugal relations are prohibited. Fasting begins a bit before sundown (called 'tosephet' Yom Kippur, the 'addition' of fasting a bit of the previous day is required by Jewish law), and ends after nightfall the following day.

In recognition of Yom Kippur, law schools will cancel all evening classes on Wednesday, October 12th, and both day and evening classes on Thursday, October 13th.

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2005, 11:59:07 AM »
Ha, funny name Yom Kippur! What does it mean?

You don't know what "Yom Kippur" is?! It's the Jewish holiday of the Day of Atonement. The Bible calls the day Yom Hakippurim. It is one of the Yamim Noraim (Hebrew, "Days of Awe"). The Yamim Noraim consist of Rosh Hashanah, which is the first two days of the Ten Days of Repentance, and Yom Kippur, which is the last of the ten days.

In the Hebrew calendar Yom Kippur begins at nightfall starting the tenth day of the Hebrew month of Tishri (which falls in September/October), and continues until the next nightfall.

Yom Kippur will occur on the following dates in the next few years:

2005: October 13
2006: October 2
2007: September 22
2008: October 9
2009: September 28
2010: September 18

Yom Kippur is the Jewish day of repentance, considered to be the holiest and most solemn day of the year. Its central theme is atonement and reconciliation. Eating, drinking, bathing, cosmetics, wearing leather (including shoes), and conjugal relations are prohibited. Fasting begins a bit before sundown (called 'tosephet' Yom Kippur, the 'addition' of fasting a bit of the previous day is required by Jewish law), and ends after nightfall the following day.

In recognition of Yom Kippur, law schools will cancel all evening classes on Wednesday, October 12th, and both day and evening classes on Thursday, October 13th.

So, Zionists have basically hijacked the US government and are working in the interest of Zionist-extremism with an Israel first policy and not the USA? :)

Well, I guess Nietzsche was not angry in vain with Jews ... Nietzsche described Jews as the truly great haters in world history.

Human history would be altogether too stupid a thing without the spirit that the impotent Jew priests have introduced into it — let us take at once the most notable example. All that has been done on earth against "the noble," "the powerful," "the masters," "the rulers," fades into nothing compared with what the Jews have done against them; the Jews, that priestly people, who in opposing their enemies and conquerors were ultimately satisfied with nothing less than a radical revaluation of their enemies' values, that is to say, an act of the most spiritual revenge. For this alone was appropriate to a priestly people, the people embodying the most deeply repressed [Zurückgetretensten] priestly vengefulness.

It was the Jews who, with awe-inspiring consistency, dared to invert the aristocratic value-equation (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = happy = beloved of God) and to hang on to this inversion with their teeth, the teeth of the most abysmal hatred (the hatred of impotence), saying "the wretched alone are the good; the poor, impotent, lowly alone are the good; the suffering, deprived, sick, ugly alone are pious, alone are blessed by God, blessedness is for them alone — and you, the powerful and noble, are on the contrary the evil, the cruel, the lustful, the insatiable, the godless to all eternity; and you shall be in all eternity the unblessed, accursed, and damned!" ... One knows who inherited this Jewish revaluation ... In connection with the tremendous and immeasurably fateful initiative provided by the Jews through this most fundamental of all declarations of war - with the Jews there began the slave revolt in morality: that revolt which has a history of 2000 (two thousand) years behind it and which we no longer see because it — has been victorious.

You do not comprehend this? You are incapable of seeing something that required 2000 years to achieve victory? — There is nothing to wonder at in that: all protracted things are hard to see, to see whole. That, however, is what has happened: from the trunk of that tree of vengefulness and hatred, Jewish hatred — the profoundest and sublimest kind of hatred, capable of creating ideals and reversing values, the like of which has never existed on earth before — there grew something equally incomparable, a new love, the profoundest and sublimest kind of love —and from what other trunk could it have grown?

This Jesus of Nazareth, the incarnate gospel of love, this "Redeemer" who brought blessedness and victory to the poor, the sick, and the sinners — was he not this seduction in its most uncanny and irresistible form, a seduction and by-path to precisely those Jewish values and new ideals? Did Israel not attain the ultimate goal of its sublime vengefulness precisely through the by-path of this "Redeemer," this ostensible opponent and disintegrator of Israel? Was it not part of the secret black art of truly grand politics of revenge, of a farseeing, subterranean, slowly advancing, and premeditated revenge, that Israel must itself deny the real instrument of its revenge before all the world as a mortal enemy and nail it to the cross, so that "all the world," namely all the opponents of Israel, could unhesitatingly swallow just this bait? And could spiritual subtlety imagine any more dangerous bait than this? Anything to equal the enticing, intoxicating, overwhelming, and undermining power of that symbol of the "holy cross," that ghastly paradox of a "God on the cross," that mystery of an unimaginable ultimate cruelty and self-crucifixion of God for the salvation of man?

What is certain, at least, is that 'sub hoc signo' [under this sign] Israel, with its vengefulness and revaluation of all values, has hitherto triumphed again and again over all other ideals, over all nobler ideals.

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2005, 12:00:11 PM »
Rome Against Judea, Judea Against Rome." Rome felt that the Jews were something contrary to nature itself, something like its monstrous polar opposite. In Rome the Jew was considered "guilty of hatred again the entire human race." And that view may be correct, to the extent we are right to link the health and the future of the human race to the unconditional rule of aristocratic values, the Roman values. The Romans were the strong and noble men, stronger and nobler than any people who'd lived on earth up until then—or even than any people who'd ever been dreamed up. By contrast, the Jews were 'par excellence' that priestly people of resentment who possessed an unparalleled genius for popular morality.

Well, people have become merely tame or want to become tame — in front of three Jews, as we know, and one Jewess (before Jesus of Nazareth, the fisherman Peter, the carpet worker Paul, and the mother of the first-mentioned Jesus, named Mary). Now, this is very remarkable: without doubt Rome has been conquered. It's true that in the Renaissance there was a brilliant, incredible re-awakening of the classical ideal, the noble way of evaluating everything. Rome itself behaved like someone who'd woken up from a coma induced by the pressure of the new Jewish Rome built over it, which looked like an ecumenical synagogue and was called "the church." But immediately Judea triumphed again, thanks to that basically vulgar (German and English) movement of resentment, which we call the Reformation, together with what had to follow as a consequence, the re-establishment of the church, as well as the re-establishment of the old grave-like tranquillity of classical Rome.

In what is an even more decisive and deeper sense, Judea once again was victorious over the classical ideal at the time of the French Revolution. The last political nobility which we had in Europe, in 17th and 18th century France, broke apart under the instinct of popular resentment — never on earth has there ever been heard a greater rejoicing, a noisier enthusiasm! It's true that in the midst of all this the most dreadful and most unexpected events took place: the old ideal itself stepped physically and with unheard of splendour before the eyes and the conscience of humanity — and once again stronger, simpler, and more urgently than ever rang out, in opposition to the old lie, to the slogan of resentment about the privileged rights of the majority, in opposition to that will for a low condition, abasement, equality, for the decline and extinguishing of mankind — in opposition to all that there rang out a fearsome and delightful counter-slogan about the privileged rights of the few! As a last signpost to a different road Napoleon appeared, the most singular and late-born man there ever was, and in him the problem of the inherently noble ideal was made flesh. We might well think about what sort of a problem that is: Napoleon, this synthesis of the inhuman and the superhuman . . .

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2005, 12:01:15 PM »
I would be delighted to make a connection at this point :) The end of the 18th century was a time of great change -- specifically the United States was born and the French aristocracy was overthrown and destroyed. Both of these events occured as a result of revolution. Both the American and French revolution were quite similiar in their ideology and mission. Just how similiar and intertwined is for you to find out! They shared many of the same ideologies. Each was a revolt based upon more personal freedom and representation within the Government...

On the other hand, we sure have heard of Zionism. You know, those conspirational theories that supposedly the Zionists have basically hijacked the US government and are working in the interest of Zionist-extremism with an Israel-first policy and not the USA. These hypothesis aside, I would throw at large the idea that the Zionists didn't have to hijack at all the U.S. goverment, since it may have been "hijacked" from the very beginning... :)

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2005, 12:12:22 PM »
Strange, der, does not US set Old Rome as an example to follow (although not openly)? Are you suggesting that US is the antithesis of Old Rome? Then, which one is/was the very embodiment of it, the short-sighted, short-lived Nazi Germany?

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2005, 12:20:58 PM »
Strange, der, does not US set Old Rome as an example to follow (although not openly)? Are you suggesting that US is the antithesis of Old Rome? Then, which one is/was the very embodiment of it, the short-sighted, short-lived Nazi Germany?

If you reading into the OP's post quoting Nietzsche as saying that to adopt the Roman attitude and lifestyle one had to engage in prosecution of Jews as Nazi Germany did, I think you are wrong.

In fact, some people tend to dislike Friedrich Nietzsche on the grounds that his thought is dangerous, that it lends itself to totalitarianism and, more specifically, to fascism. The history of Nietzsche's adoption by the forces of National Socialism in Germany has been well documented. Adolf Hitler personally approved of Nietzsche's writings, and upon coming to power he promoted one of Nietzsche's first Nazi disciples, Alfred Baumler, to professor of philosophy in Berlin. During the Nazi period Nietzsche was both widely read and celebrated in Germany. He was considered to be one of the master-thinkers of the Aryan race. After Germany lost the war, Nietzsche's thought fell into disrepute. Martin Heidegger even blamed his involvement in Nazi politics on the influence of Nietzsche. Since that time, however, Nietzsche's work has enjoyed a modest revival. Nevertheless, Nietzsche is still viewed with suspicion in many circles because of a circumstance of history that was beyond his control. Many critics continue to argue that Nietzsche's thinking is at best dangerous or, at worst, downright evil because it leads directly to fascism.

This argument, though, is simply untenable given a careful reading of Nietzsche's work. From an examination of his texts, skipping the "approved" Nazi interpretations, one can easily argue that Nietzsche would have certainly opposed his appropriation by National Socialism, particularly its hideous manifestation in Nazi Germany.

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2005, 08:17:04 PM »
Well, it's not that I would not like to continue to lead this thread astray -- as I can't see how Jews' mentality and evil ways can be linked to the legal reasoning method and the like -- but I'd like to add for the sake of argument that America does not really adhere to the principles its Founding Father believed in: in fact, American mentality and political ideology can more aptly be described as a vague belief in science resting atop an uneasy and heterogeneous combination of Enlightenment, materialist/Protestant and pagan values.

Here are some posts on all four on the issue,

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,3549.msg679273.html#msg679273



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Have you not heard it?!
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2005, 05:37:14 PM »
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Well, it's not that I would like to continue to lead this thread astray -- as I can't see how Jews' mentality and evil ways can be linked to the legal reasoning method and the like {...}

The Jewish mentality is very much in line with that of a typical lawyer ... They say, e.g.,

'The Jewish Lawyer
Has no feeling for Justice.
He only goes to Court
Because of the prospect of money.

Whether brave and good people
Wear themselves out and bleed,
Leaves the Jew completely cold.
Never go to a Jewish lawyer.'"

Here's what happened in Germany to Jewish lawyers,

http://www.brak.de/anwalt-ohne-recht/Panels_neu_1_12.pdf
You can kid the world.  But not your sister.

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Re: Have you not heard it?!
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2005, 06:53:02 PM »
Does posting that poem make you feel better about yourself?

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Well, it's not that I would like to continue to lead this thread astray -- as I can't see how Jews' mentality and evil ways can be linked to the legal reasoning method and the like {...}

The Jewish mentality is very much in line with that of a typical lawyer ... They say, e.g.,

'The Jewish Lawyer
Has no feeling for Justice.
He only goes to Court
Because of the prospect of money.

Whether brave and good people
Wear themselves out and bleed,
Leaves the Jew completely cold.
Never go to a Jewish lawyer.'"

Here's what happened in Germany to Jewish lawyers,

http://www.brak.de/anwalt-ohne-recht/Panels_neu_1_12.pdf