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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #130 on: August 02, 2006, 04:32:46 AM »

On certain occasions, they would argue passionately about what colors unicorns really were, or about their actual population, whereabouts, and habits. On other occasions they would treat with derision anyone who could be foolish enough to take the naive view that unicorns were the sort of creatures that existed outside the minds of the men and women who imagined them into being. On yet other occasions they would seem to assert both views at once, claiming that while of course unicorns didn't really exist outside our imaginations, nevertheless by treating them as if  they were actual living animals we could eleminate any practical distinction between the characteristics of real and imaginary creatures.

Such is the ordinary mental condition of the modern American lawyer. The modern lawyer, and especially the modern judge and law professor, must continually practice a sort of "as if" jurisprudence, within the context of which the lawyer both knows and doesn't know that most important legal facts are facts only to the extent we believe them to be legal facts. Various strategies are then employed to deal with the intense cognitive dissonance that characterizes this condition. A common one among practicing lawyers is to simply ignore the dissonance -- to treat it as someone else's problem. That someone is, of course, whatever decision maker is precluded from employing the same cognitive strategy by virtue of the decision maker's decisional responsibilites.

Perhaps the proper function of a legal education is to produce persons who "think like lawyers": individuals, that is, who are trained to hold various unambivalent yet rationally unjustified beliefs, necessary for the vigorous deployment of social power, that nevertheless remain highly role specific, and are therefore subject to change at a moment's -- or a client's -- notice.


If you want a very good description of the cult phenomenon that isn't just a religious indictment, see Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman's book Snapping: "America's Epidemic of Sudden Personality Change." Siegelman and Conway are communications theorists, and it's not even clear what religious affiliation they have, if any. They merely do a very thorough breakdown of what serious cults look like, as opposed to how everyday religions are organized and behave. Signs of cults include:

1) Forbidding you from having friends or even spending much time with relatives who are not members of the cult.

2) A living figure, or figures, to whom absolute obedience is expected.

3) Classic hypnotherapy-style brainwashing techniques, to change your personality and encourage absolute obedience.

4) Use of malnutrition to weaken a person's mind (serious long-term malnutrition, not the occasional fast), also to aid in encouraging absolute obedience to the cult leadership and to alter your personality.

5) Gradually taking more and more and more of a member's income until ultimately they are giving most of their livelihood, or all of it, to the cult.

6) Threatening the life of those who leave the cult.

7) Kidnapping escapees to bring them back in for reconditioning.

Note that all of these are typical behavior for cults. A typical cult will have most or all of these features, not just one or two of them.

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #131 on: August 02, 2006, 04:59:30 AM »
Law school definitely is a cult.

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Forbidding you from having friends or even spending much time with relatives who are not members of the cult.

It's not forbidden, precisely, but many relatives and friends no longer want to spend much time with you ... and it's not that you have time for them anyway with the studying ... Or that you'd want to, anyway. Who wants to hang out with somebody who's not interested in the permutations of alterations to the face of a negotiable instrument versus changes assayed through the endorsement?

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A living figure, or figures, to whom absolute obedience is expected.

That would be "the partner."

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Classic hypnotherapy-style brainwashing techniques, to change your personality and encourage absolute obedience.

Professors call it "the socratic method." We call it "pleaseohpleaseohpleasedon'tcallonme!!"

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Use of malnutrition to weaken a person's mind (serious long-term malnutrition, not the occasional fast), also to aid in encouraging absolute obedience to the cult leadership and to alter your personality.

For most of the year, you subsist on a highly irregular diet of law-school vending machine junk food and cheese platters left over from receptions.

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Gradually taking more and more and more of a member's income until ultimately they are giving most of their livelihood, or all of it, to the cult.


Student loans.

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Threatening the life of those who leave the cult.

It's not a threat, precisely. Just the knowledge that if you leave, you will be absolutely lonely because nobody will ever laugh at your jokes again ...

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Kidnapping escapees to bring them back in for reconditioning.


Hmmm ... graduation is an "escape," certainly. And just when you think you're safe ... there's Bar Prep class.


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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #132 on: August 03, 2006, 04:50:53 AM »

President George W. Bush sent Victor Ashe, the US Ambassador to Poland and a "special" friend since their cheerleader and cohabitation days at Yale University, "candy and flowers" via US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage. In another matter, Armitage surprised observers in Warsaw by an apparent criticism of his boss, the president. The real reason Armitage was in Poland is to check up on the US Ambassador to Poland, Victor Ashe. Mr. Ashe and president Bush have had a "special relationship" since their college days at Yale, where they were roommates and male cheerleaders together.

Just how "fabulous" is Mr. Ashe, Georgie?

"It's known by many sources that George W. Bush in 1968 [when he was tapped into the Skulls and Bones] was performing homosexual acts with his male sex-mate and Yale roommate Mayor Ashe of Knoxville, TN. While mayor, Ashe made several unscheduled visits to the White House and, according to US Secret Service sources, Bush made at least 8 unscheduled and unannounced trips to Knoxville while he has been President. Ashe is suspected of two arrests. One was in Washington DC and the other was in Atlanta, while he was a Tennessee state legislator. They allegedly involved arrests while he was picking up male tranvestite prostitutes in public restrooms. Ashe was allegedly introduced on live TV, by Peter Jennings, as "The gay mayor from Knoxville" at a national mayor's conference in San Francisco."

The mainline Australian newspaper, The Age, reported last week, prior to the release of Kitty Kelley's book "The Family" (Bush's) some charges Kelley could make, including:

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"She may also raise a nasty rumour that circulates in Washington DC from time to time, that President Bush had a 'special relationship' with a former mayor of Tennessee, Victor Ashe, who is now the US ambassador to Poland."


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/10/1094789692938.html?oneclick=true

A newspaper in Memphis, Tennessee, noted the president's lack of manliness in the 9/11 catastrophe. Bush was to stunned to react for about 9 minutes. Then he spent the rest of the day boring holes in the sky with Air Force One and hiding like a rabbit in a hole in the ground near Omaha, Nebraska. "W" STANDS FOR "WIMP."

There are even suspicions in the US that the anthrax mailings right after 9/11 -- a matter that like Bin Laden, is still unsolved -- was used to shut down the National Enquirer newspaper in Florida, which had photos of George W. Bush from his Skull and Bones secret society days at Yale in compromising sexual positions. Ambassador Ashe was a member of Skull and Bones at the same time. The only casualty of the Florida attack was the photo editor, Bob Stevens, whose widow sued the US Government for not keeping the anthrax under control. The building was bought for a ridiculously low price by none other than the New York mayor, George Bush's pal, Rudy Guiliani, who has cleaned it up.


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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #133 on: August 03, 2006, 07:18:46 PM »

Law school definitely is a cult.


This other post is even more relevant!



Here are some of the signs:

1. People who avoid answering the issues you raise with them;
2. A group that uses psychologically coercive techniques to recruit and indoctrinate members;
3. An organization that uses falsehood in their indoctrination and recruiting methods;
4. A group that maintains that "the end justifies the means";
5. An organization that forms a totalitarian society;
6. A group that has a charismatic, dogmatic leader who plays "Messiah" and demands total devotion: he or she can seem like the most wonderful person you have ever heard of;
7. A group that obtains funds through deception for the personal gain and/or power of the leader;
8. A group that performs no real service to society, although they claim to do so (remember, deceit is one of their tickets);
9. A group that destroys existing relationships with family and friends -- if your family is aware that something is happening to you, the group tells you that your family is evil, or doesn't want you to progress, or that your family is the only reason you have ever been sick or unhappy in your life. (This is another major tool destructive cults use: they tell you your family members or close friends, if they are critical of the organization, are "negative" or "suppressive", or whatever buzzword the group uses for its enemies, and that your family and friends are actually making you sick, and trying to hold you back);
10. An organization that teaches fear, hatred, and rejection of society, while claiming to promote the cause of world peace and universal love. (A good example of a group that teaches hate, fear and rejection is the Ku Klux Klan -- under the definition of most religions, political parties, the Mafia, any terrorist group, the KKK -- all of these could claim they are a religion, since they follow the same definition used by most of the pseudo-religious cults and mind control groups);
11. A group that practices intimidation of critics by threats (which they sometimes carry out) or lawsuits, allow no development of the individual. (If a person in the group questions or wants to be an individual, he or she is told that the way to be an individual is to become more and more involved with the organization);
12. An organization that isolates their members, either mentally or physically, polarizing the group and society into opposing camps, creating an "us/them" mentality, making the members identify exclusively with the group;
13. A group that demands full-time or lifetime commitment: if you are allowed to work in the outside world, it is to get money for the cult, or for further programming or training within the cult for yourself;
14. An organization that has secret practices and docrines and/or objectives that the average new recruit has absolutely no idea about;
15. A group that has simple black-and-white solutions for the world's problems: if everyone becomes a member of this particular cult, then there won't be any war, hunger, or oppression;
16. An organization that makes its members afraid to dare to speak up, even afraid to think about how the cult is oppressing them;
17. A group that suppresses critical thought, blocking out questions and doubts by various methods, such as: chanting; rules of silence; long hours of meditation, study, processing, or counselling; speaking in tongues; various forms of repetitive action; inadequate diet or sleep;
18. An organization whose methods rob their members of free will, destroying family relationships;
19. A group that creates an attitude of willing slavery in its members: people in the group become willing to work long, long hours for the benefit of the organization -- not for their own individual benefit;
20. An organization that creates neuroses and psychoses in its members, so that some members become very angry if anyone points out that their organization may not be what it says, and may even be a destructive cult, and other members can even become violent towards anyone who disagrees with them;
21. A group that creates physical deterioration in its members, often caused by malnutrition, sleep deprivation, overwork, or emotional stress;
22. An organization that destroys its members' judgment, reducing their ability to evaluate for themselves what is most important to them individually, so each member thinks only of the group, losing sight of his or her own self.

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/students/index.php/topic,3169.msg39724.html#msg39724

himan

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #134 on: August 05, 2006, 10:36:26 AM »

[...] Like boot camp (or virginity's loss!), when you enter law school, your life turns a corner past which it can never again pass. Don't get me wrong, I do not regret the trip ... but it brings a permanent change. So, those of you who still have the chance, enjoy the virginity -- law school will bring a permanent change!


No change is "permanent"! Even when you lose virginity you can always repair and tighten the hymen to a more intact, virgin-like state using different surgical techniques. In most cases, the surgery is virtually undetectable after healing.

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« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2006, 10:40:28 AM »

No change is "permanent"! Even when you lose virginity you can always repair and tighten the hymen to a more intact, virgin-like state using different surgical techniques. In most cases, the surgery is virtually undetectable after healing.


Please note that while rupture of the hymen normally occurs during first intercourse or rape, many girls tear, or otherwise dilate, their hymen for instance:

  • During sports like bicycling, horseback riding, gymnastics etc.
  • Inserting tampons.

A girl may not even be aware that a hymen tear has occurred, since there may be little or no blood loss, nor pain. Not to mention that, some women are born without even a trace of a hymen

lawrenc

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #136 on: August 05, 2006, 08:40:21 PM »
It appears those girls you talk about will have an easier time getting used to law school, $mustb! ;)

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« Reply #137 on: August 08, 2006, 07:12:46 AM »

So, Zionists have basically hijacked the US government and are working in the interest of Zionist-extremism with an Israel first policy and not the USA? :)

Well, I guess Nietzsche was not angry in vain with Jews ... Nietzsche described Jews as the truly great haters in world history.

Human history would be altogether too stupid a thing without the spirit that the impotent Jew priests have introduced into it — let us take at once the most notable example. All that has been done on earth against "the noble," "the powerful," "the masters," "the rulers," fades into nothing compared with what the Jews have done against them; the Jews, that priestly people, who in opposing their enemies and conquerors were ultimately satisfied with nothing less than a radical revaluation of their enemies' values, that is to say, an act of the most spiritual revenge. For this alone was appropriate to a priestly people, the people embodying the most deeply repressed [Zurückgetretensten] priestly vengefulness.

It was the Jews who, with awe-inspiring consistency, dared to invert the aristocratic value-equation (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = happy = beloved of God) and to hang on to this inversion with their teeth, the teeth of the most abysmal hatred (the hatred of impotence), saying "the wretched alone are the good; the poor, impotent, lowly alone are the good; the suffering, deprived, sick, ugly alone are pious, alone are blessed by God, blessedness is for them alone — and you, the powerful and noble, are on the contrary the evil, the cruel, the lustful, the insatiable, the godless to all eternity; and you shall be in all eternity the unblessed, accursed, and d**mned!" ... One knows who inherited this Jewish revaluation ... In connection with the tremendous and immeasurably fateful initiative provided by the Jews through this most fundamental of all declarations of war - with the Jews there began the slave revolt in morality: that revolt which has a history of 2000 (two thousand) years behind it and which we no longer see because it — has been victorious.

You do not comprehend this? You are incapable of seeing something that required 2000 years to achieve victory? — There is nothing to wonder at in that: all protracted things are hard to see, to see whole. That, however, is what has happened: from the trunk of that tree of vengefulness and hatred, Jewish hatred — the profoundest and sublimest kind of hatred, capable of creating ideals and reversing values, the like of which has never existed on earth before — there grew something equally incomparable, a new love, the profoundest and sublimest kind of love —and from what other trunk could it have grown?

This Jesus of Nazareth, the incarnate gospel of love, this "Redeemer" who brought blessedness and victory to the poor, the sick, and the sinners — was he not this seduction in its most uncanny and irresistible form, a seduction and by-path to precisely those Jewish values and new ideals? Did Israel not attain the ultimate goal of its sublime vengefulness precisely through the by-path of this "Redeemer," this ostensible opponent and disintegrator of Israel? Was it not part of the secret black art of truly grand politics of revenge, of a farseeing, subterranean, slowly advancing, and premeditated revenge, that Israel must itself deny the real instrument of its revenge before all the world as a mortal enemy and nail it to the cross, so that "all the world," namely all the opponents of Israel, could unhesitatingly swallow just this bait? And could spiritual subtlety imagine any more dangerous bait than this? Anything to equal the enticing, intoxicating, overwhelming, and undermining power of that symbol of the "holy cross," that ghastly paradox of a "God on the cross," that mystery of an unimaginable ultimate cruelty and self-crucifixion of God for the salvation of man?

What is certain, at least, is that 'sub hoc signo' [under this sign] Israel, with its vengefulness and revaluation of all values, has hitherto triumphed again and again over all other ideals, over all nobler ideals.


Wow, I had never thought Jews were *really* guilty of what they're hated for ..
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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2006, 01:14:09 AM »

Please note that while rupture of the hymen normally occurs during first intercourse or rape, many girls tear, or otherwise dilate, their hymen for instance:

  • During sports like bicycling, horseback riding, gymnastics etc.
  • Inserting tampons.

A girl may not even be aware that a hymen tear has occurred, since there may be little or no blood loss, nor pain. Not to mention that, some women are born without even a trace of a hymen


LOL ;)

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Re: Legal Reasoning
« Reply #139 on: August 25, 2006, 08:44:09 PM »

It appears those girls you talk about will have an easier time getting used to law school, $mustb! ;)


Funny, yet so true!