Ritalin is a drug that is widely abused by law students. *It's possible*....one could argue that Ritalin taken without a prescription is illegal. *Taking drugs without prescription AND medical indication IS illegal, no need to argue this* Schools, particularly law schools, should be concerned if their students are breaking the law. *Yap, hard to practice what one doesn't preach*Second, and more importantly, if students who illegally take Ritalin get an academic advantage over non-Ritalin takers, the law breakers are getting an unfair bump up in terms of law school grades and career options. *Well, remember here that there are people with medical need of these drugs, like narcolepy or ADHD. These are things that a health professional has decided is the best way to treat this person's problem, but I see your point.Moreover, the existence of illicit Ritalin use puts pressure on non-Ritalin takers to use the drug, either through an illegal purchase or by faking symptoms to a physician to get a prescription. **Healthcare personell like physicians are trained to recognize symptoms and see who is malingering or not. A physician that does not do so, is not doing his duties towards his patient. Medication errors kill thousands of patients every year and holding doctors accountable is a serious problem. Whether or not we should punish patients that fake symptoms to get a drug or not, I am against this for two reasons. First of all, it is almost impossible to prove intentions and actual decision to fake an illness, secondly many patients might have underlying problems that subconsciously drive them to fake symptoms. This is not only about Ritalin or not, but other drugs as well, when patient just believes getting a drug might be good and tells doctors what he/she saw in a TV ad. Because Ritalin can have adverse side effects in some people and has unclear long term health consequences, unnecessary Ritalin use is not recommended. *Like any other prescribed medications, I think Ritalin is one of the net drugs to become a class-action suit in a few years, as al the children of today on these drugs grow up and start complaining of side effects.* In short, to avoid unfairness and to discourage unnecessary Ritalin use, it seems reasonable to randomly test law students for Ritalin and the related drug, Adderall, and to take action against those students who have used the drug without a prescription. * I agree, and to take civil action against whoever gave them access to these drugs on false pretenses, should there be no medical reasons for taking them*The situation seems to me to be similar to the one professional sports leagues face. We know that steroids give athletes an unfair advantage and that steroids are illegal without a prescription. As a result, all major sports now prohibit athletes from taking steroids. Arguably, we should do the same when it comes to Ritalin. **Absolutely,but again; the people providing them with these drugs are really more guilty of breaching their duty as health provider than the person taking it. I agree that peer pressure is a stronger driving force than personal responsibility here. Best solution would be to punish the student disiplinary and take civil action agaist health care provider. * Despite these differences with steroids, there seems to be a strong case for student Ritalin testing, especially given the fairness concern. ****I agree, this could be part of a physical offered each student.** The problem with drugs like Ritalin is that they are both performance enhancing AND illegal without a prescription. ***Excactly, I personally drink at least 10 cups of coffee a day and smokes 1-2 packs also, both of them helping my memory before any test, but everybody can use these drugs and I know it helps me study better** Is it time we do something about it? Should we start testing law students for illegal Ritalin and Adderall use? And if so, what should the punishment be for violators? Expulsion? Reprimand with a report to the relevant bar association regarding illegal drug use? I look forward to comments. ***I think the main emphasis should be put upon the people that provide them with the drugs. Students are just in a situation where they think soemthing might help them out. As long as they obtained these drugs through a that has guaranteed their medical needs for these drugs, it seems unfair to hold the students. They were just advised by people paid to take care of their medical needs. it doesn't matter or not if they wanted the drugs or not, since these drugs are prescribed by the physician and nobosy else. He/She therefore has the ultimate responsibility (and liability) when prescribing these. We did not prosecute people for taking Vioxx, despite the drug giving them heart attacks.
It also is nearly indistinguishable from the other exam week amphetamine of choice for law students: Adderall.
My motivation comes from the knowledge that the loans are building and are going to have to be paid off
Quote from: portia the beautiful on December 05, 2005, 07:33:14 PMHow about wide-eyed, anxious appearance, abnormal dilation of your pupils, nystagmus (involuntary jerking of eyeballs), rapid speech? That just sounds like about 1/2 the students and a noticable percentage of the faculty.My motivation comes from the knowledge that the loans are building and are going to have to be paid off.
How about wide-eyed, anxious appearance, abnormal dilation of your pupils, nystagmus (involuntary jerking of eyeballs), rapid speech?
It also is nearly indistinguishable from the other exam week amphetamine of choice for law students: Adderall.On the original topic, personally I find fear to be a fairly effective motivation. Seems to do the trick!
Quote from: slacker on December 05, 2005, 10:45:10 PMQuote from: portia the beautiful on December 05, 2005, 07:33:14 PMHow about wide-eyed, anxious appearance, abnormal dilation of your pupils, nystagmus (involuntary jerking of eyeballs), rapid speech? That just sounds like about 1/2 the students and a noticable percentage of the faculty.My motivation comes from the knowledge that the loans are building and are going to have to be paid off.funny stuff
Quote from: Leaf2001br on December 06, 2005, 02:56:29 PMIt also is nearly indistinguishable from the other exam week amphetamine of choice for law students: Adderall.By Andrew ConteTRIBUNE-REVIEWMonday, October 25, 2004 Jamie Cafeo could not understand at first why other students wanted the prescription drugs she needed to focus in classes at Community College of Allegheny County. Classmates offered her $50 for her bottle of Adderall, a stimulant prescribed to people with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. "There are a lot of friends questioning me if I'll sell it to them," said Cafeo, 20, of Bloomfield.
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