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law school depression

Re: law school depression
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2005, 06:38:20 PM »
Do they allow you to bring outlines into the exam?

Yes they do.


Re: law school depression
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2006, 03:15:56 AM »
I must say that this is the best frat boy definition I have ever heard.  Really, it should be published.

I think it IS published, Ezekiel!

LOL shambala! ;)

Re: law school depression
« Reply #102 on: September 04, 2006, 04:37:09 PM »
Some here have argued that we're better off with the depressed people dead, but I don't believe that's true. Depression has not been "bred out" of the gene pool because the creativity and intelligence associated with depression sufferers has societal benefits. See the work of Kay Jamison, the second author of Goodwin & Jamison's classic, "Manic-Depressive Illness."

Re: law school depression
« Reply #103 on: September 14, 2006, 04:16:23 AM »
I dunno if you're being sarcastic or not, but your post is quite intriguing, to say the least ...

Re: law school depression
« Reply #104 on: October 04, 2006, 05:10:10 PM »

There are so many abercrombie frat boys who stay near each-other each and every class ... we've like 5 male/male couples and I don't doubt they're all homosexuals.

As to this "frat boy" type of thing male, fraternities, and the like ...

Fraternities are said to have their origin in the Middle Ages when young men would go off to foreign countries to study in the new universities at Bologna or Paris. Men from the same countries clung together in the notion of brotherhood.

In early America, the founders of collegiate fraternities chose to name their organizations using Greek letters (Phi Beta Kappa being the first, in 1776), drawing upon the high culture of ancient Greece. Fraternities slowly spread across the United States, and what we know as the "social fraternity" has its roots in the mid-to late 19th century. Following tradition, these men chose to name their organizations using Greek letters.

Because Western civilization has chosen to emulate and draw upon the accomplishments of ancient Greece doesn't mean that the cultural standards in their society were comparable to ours. In fact, the Greeks were far more modern in their acceptance of homosexuality. Most of the greatest Greek citizens were active participants in homosexual sex.

Manly love was a common fixture of everyday Greek life. The Greeks practiced what was called pederasty: open sexual relationships between older men and adolescent boys. Both Plato and Xenophon explored the beauty of this love in their "Symposiums."

Distinguished Athenian citizens would stand around the gymnasium, where young boys ran naked, and the men would pick and choose a boy for a lover. This was all very legal, as long as the boy had reached puberty. Solon the lawgiver, himself a pederast, imposed strict laws against children being included in this practice. Boys were only attractive to older men if they had no hair on their face, thighs or buttocks. There were many arguments among the philosophers about which was greater: sex with a woman or sex with an adolescent boy. Achilles Tatius wrote, "Boys' sweat has a finer smell than anything in a woman's makeup box." In mythology we see such relationships between Zeus and Ganymede, Dionysus and Ampelos and Apollo with Hyacinthus and Cyparissus.

The Spartan soldiers - some of the most heroic and masculine warriors in history - participated actively in homosexual sex. Alexander the Great had a longtime male companion. When the corpses of Theban soldiers were found on the battlefield at Chaeronea, they were found in couples. Each loving pair of men fought bravely to their deaths, back to back.

16-Old Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman
« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2006, 05:17:37 PM »
September 28, 2006

Rhonda Schwartz and Maddy Sauer Report:

A 16-year-old male former congressional page concerned about the appropriateness of an e-mail exchange with a congressman alerted Capitol Hill staffers to the communication. Congressman Mark Foley's office says the e-mails were entirely appropriate and that their release is part of a smear campaign by his opponent.

In the series of e-mails, obtained by ABC News, from Rep. Foley (R-FL) to the former page, Foley asks the young man how old he is, what he wants for his birthday and requests a photo of him. The concerned young man alerted congressional staffers to the e-mails. In one e-mail, the former page writes to a staffer, "Maybe it is just me being paranoid, but seriously. This freaked me out."

Foley's office acknowledges that Foley wrote the e-mails to the young man but says they were completely innocent and that Foley is at most guilty of being "too friendly and too engaging" with young people. The e-mails were sent from Foley's personal AOL account, and the exchange began within weeks after the page finished his program on Capitol Hill. In one, Foley writes, "did you have fun at your conference ... what do you want for your birthday coming up ... what stuff do you like to do." In another Foley writes, "how are you weathering the hurricane ... are you safe ... send me an email pic of you as well ... "

The young man forwarded that e-mail to a congressional staffer saying it was "sick sick sick sick sick." Foley's office says it is their policy to keep pictures of former interns and anyone who may ask for a recommendation on file so they can remember them. The Congressional page program was started in the 1800s. In its current form, juniors from high school work on Capitol Hill after school or over the summer. The young man in question did not work or intern for Foley's office.

Elizabeth Nicolson, Foley's Chief of Staff, said they believe the e-mail exchange began when the page asked Foley for a recommendation and that the subsequent exchange was totally innocent. She said Foley's office believes the e-mails were released by the opposition as part of an "ugly smear campaign."

« Reply #106 on: October 04, 2006, 05:25:15 PM »
ORLANDO, Fla. - Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley sought treatment for alcoholism and "other behavioral problems" as Republicans on Monday picked a new candidate to salvage the seat that Foley abandoned after exchanging lurid online messages with teenage boys. State party leaders chose state Rep. Joe Negron to replace Foley in next month's election. Negron will receive votes cast for Foley, although Foley's name will remain on the ballot in the West Palm Beach district, which is largely Republican.

"My job beginning immediately is to get word out to all these absentee voters and to everyone else in this race that you are not voting for Mark Foley, you are voting for the Republican nominee, and I'm not Mark Foley," Negron said. "I think it's something that can be done." Foley resigned Friday after reports surfaced that he sent sexually explicit e-mails and instant messages to male teenage pages. He quickly went into seclusion and released a statement that he was seeking treatment.

"Painfully, the events that led to my resignation have crystalized recognition of my long-standing significant alcohol and emotional difficulties," he said. "I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and other behavioral problems." He added: "I deeply regret and accept full responsibility for the harm I have caused." Foley's attorney, David Roth, acknowledged Monday that his client checked into a treatment center over the weekend, but would not identify the facility.

The FBI is investigating Foley's e-mails, as is the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Foley, who is 52 and single, could be found to have violated a law that he helped write as co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus. House Speaker Dennis Hastert said Monday that GOP leaders did not see Foley's Internet exchanges and that he would have demanded Foley's expulsion if he had known about them. "As a parent and speaker of the House, I am disgusted," Hastert, R-Ill., told reporters in Washington.

The scandal suddenly put Foley's seat up for grabs as Democrats seek a net gain of 15 Republican seats to retake power in the House. Foley, who had represented the district for 12 years, was regarded as a shoo-in for re-election before his resignation. His name was to remain on the Nov. 7 ballot because the deadline had passed for changing ballots. At least one prominent Florida Republican expressed pessimism about holding onto the seat. "It's a death sentence ... mission impossible," said former state Republican Party Chairman Tom Slade. "The only way you win is they (voters) have got to vote for Mark Foley. That doesn't appear to me to be very attractive."

But state party spokesman Jeff Sadosky said the seat is too important to surrender. "It's not going to be about yesterday's news no matter how tragic and horrifying," he said. Negron, standing beside a 10th grade son and 8th grade daughter, became choked up when talking about what Foley did. "I've had pages work in my office for years, I've seen pages go to Washington, I've seen the incredible opportunity that is," Negron said, his voice trailing off. He then put his hand over his face and struggled to continue talking. "It was very disturbing because I work with these young people."

The Democratic nominee is Tim Mahoney, a former Republican and financial adviser. He said Monday that his campaign would largely remain unchanged. "When people meet me and people know me, whether they're Democrats or Republicans, they get on board," he said. "They know that when I'm in Washington D.C., I'll be no nonsense and it's all going to be about results." Negron, an attorney who turns 45 next week, joined in the call to investigate who knew about the e-mails and when. Democrats have suggested House leaders tried to cover them up for political reasons. "We ought to investigate if people knew about inappropriate, criminal e-mails and didn't take appropriate action," he said. "If that happened, they need to be punished."


Associated Press writers Brent Kallestad in Tallahassee and Brian Skoloff in West Palm Beach contributed to this report.

Re: law school depression
« Reply #107 on: October 04, 2006, 05:28:27 PM »

House Speaker Dennis Hastert speaks to reporters with Rep. John Shimkus, right, regarding the resignation of Rep. Mark Foley, October 2, 2006

House Speaker Dennis Hastert says House Republican leaders did not know about the lurid emails sent by Congressman Foley to teenage male interns working at the Capitol until they surfaced in news reports on Friday. "Congressman Foley resigned, and I am glad he did," he said. "If he had not, I would have demanded his expulsion from the House of Representatives.

In a written statement, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said Republican leaders admitted knowing about Foley's "abhorrent behavior" at least six months earlier and failed to protect the children in their trust. She says Republican leaders must be investigated by the Ethics Committee and immediately questioned under oath. In an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" program Sunday, Democratic Congressman Sherrod Brown of Ohio said any Republican leader who knew about the matter and did not report it should leave office. "I think anyone who knew about this, any leader who knew about this should resign, absolutely," he said.

The scandal comes just 5 weeks before midterm elections that will determine control of Congress. While Democrats try to make political hay out of the scandal, at the White House, spokesman Tony Snow sought to play down its impact on the November 7 elections. "Mark Foley has got to answer for his behavior, right? Now, this does not affect every Republican in the United States of America," said Snow. Foley is under federal investigation. He has entered an alcoholism treatment center, and issued a statement expressing regret and accepting responsibility for the harm he has caused.

Foley, a six-term Congressman who was expected to win reelection against his Democratic challenger, had served as co-chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, and recently introduced legislation to crack down on internet pornography sites.

Re: law school depression
« Reply #108 on: October 04, 2006, 05:32:24 PM »

Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., quit Congress on Friday after e-mails and sexually explicit instant messages to young male pages surfaced.

David Roth, Foley's attorney, said Tuesday that Foley was molested as a teenager. The lawyer also confirmed Foley's homosexuality.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., has come under fire in the wake of Foley's resignation. He has rejected some calls for him to step down as speaker.

On Monday, Florida Republicans chose Joe Negron, left, to run in Foley's place. Negron has occupied influential posts in the Florida legislature.

Re: law school depression
« Reply #109 on: October 04, 2006, 05:41:57 PM »

In 2005, Foley sent five emails, some of them suggestive, to a 16-year-old former page sponsored by Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-LA). Among other things, Foley asked for a photo of the page, and expressed admiration for the physique of another young male friend. The page forwarded the emails to a colleague in Alexander's office, saying "this really freaked me out," and repeating the word "sick" 13 times to describe the photo request. He added, "if you can, please tell Rodney [Alexander] about this."

A number of news organizations, including the St. Petersburg Times, the Miami Herald, and Fox News acquired copies of these emails from undisclosed sources in 2005, but decided not to publish a story. The Times editors decided it was probably just a "friendly chit-chat." Nonetheless, they assigned two reporters to investigate in November 2005. The recipient of the email refused to cooperate with the story, and no other pages they interviewed had complaints about correspondence with Foley. The newspaper revisited their investigation "more than once," ultimately choosing not to break the story.

On July 21, 2006, two months before the scandal broke, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) received copies of the emails. On that day, CREW turned over the emails to the FBI; however, the FBI found insufficient grounds to open a criminal investigation. After the scandal broke, CREW asked the Justice Department's Inspector General to investigate that decision.

On September 24, 2006, a blog named Stop Sex Predators publicly released the emails. The widely-read political blog Wonkette drew readers' attention to the posted emails on September 27. The next day, September 28, Brian Ross of ABC News reported on the same set of e-mails, which he had received in August from a Republican source.

Instant messages

After the initial story on the emails, other pages contacted ABC, providing transcripts of sexually explicit instant messaging conversations that Foley allegedly had with pages. Some said they had not shared the events earlier because Foley was a powerful Congressman. On September 29, in a second story, ABC News reported that it had seen excerpts of these instant messages which made repeated references to sexual organs and acts. On October 3, ABC News reported that it had come into possession of as many as "52 separate instant message exchanges, which former pages say were sent by Foley, using the screen name Maf54, to two different boys under the age of 18."

Message excerpts

Foley's e-mails to the former Congressional page in Louisiana said in part:

"I am in North Carolina...and it was 100 in New Orleans...well do miss's raining here but 68 degrees so who can argue...did you have fun at your conference...what do you want for your birthday coming up....what stuff do you like to do,"


"I just emailed will...hes such a nice guy...acts much older than his age...and hes in really great shape..."


"how are you weathering the hurricane....are you safe…send me an email pic of you as well...."

The instant messages that ABC obtained after its initial story were much more explicit. According to several former congressional pages, the congressman used the screen name Maf54 on these messages. One exchange included.

Maf54: do you really do it face down
Teen: ya
Maf54: kneeling
Teen: well i dont use my hand...i use the bed itself
Maf54: where do you unload it
Teen: towel
Maf54: really
Maf54: completely naked?
Teen: well ya
Maf54: very nice
Teen: lol
Maf54: cute butt bouncing in the air

In another exchange, Foley proposed to meet with a former page,

Maf54: I want to see you
Teen: Like I said not til feb…then we will go to dinner
Maf54: and then what happens
Teen:  we eat...we drink...who knows...hang out...late into the night
Maf54: and
Teen:  I dunno
Maf54: dunno what
Teen:  hmmm I have the feeling that you are fishing here...
im not sure what I would be comfortable with...well see

An exchange that took place in April 2003 apparently reveals Foley engaging in cybersex with a former page as the House voted on an emergency supplemental appropriations bill to fund the Iraq War:

Maf54: ok..i better go vote..did you know you would have this effect on me
Teen:   lol I guessed
Teen:   ya go vote…I don't want to keep you from doing our job
Maf54: can I have a good kiss goodnight
Teen:   :-*
Teen:   <kiss>

In another exchange, Foley appears to invite the same page to his apartment with a friend to consume alcoholic beverages:

Maf54: we will be adjourned ny then
Teen:   oh good
Maf54: by
Maf54: then we can have a few drinks
Maf54: lol
Teen:   yes yes ;-)
Maf54: your not old enough to drink
Teen:   shhh…
Maf54: ok
Teen:   that's not what my ID says
Teen:   lol
Maf54: ok
Teen:   I probably shouldn't be telling you that huh
Maf54: we may need to drink at my house so we don't get busted