Concord Law School

[sharkfish]

Enjoy your parent's money.  You are going to need it.

[Coregram]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                                          AT
TUESDAY, JUNE 27, 1995                             (202) 616-2771
                                               TDD (202) 514-1888

 JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION RESOLVE CHARGES
  THAT THE ABA'S PROCESS FOR ACCREDITING LAW SCHOOLS WAS MISUSED
                                 

     WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Department of Justice and the
American Bar Association today resolved charges that the ABA
process for accrediting law schools had been misused to inflate
faculty salaries and benefits.
     The Antitrust Division filed a civil lawsuit and settlement
in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., alleging that the ABA
used its power as the law school accrediting agency to protect
law faculties' economic interests and working conditions.
      Anne K. Bingaman, Assistant Attorney General in charge of
the Antitrust Division, said, "The ABA's accreditation process
required that universities raise salaries to artificially-inflated levels,
and meet other costly accreditation requirements
that had little to do with the quality of the legal education
they provided.  The settlement reached today stops this
anticompetitive conduct."
     Under today's proposed settlement, the ABA would be
prohibited from:
     * Fixing faculty salaries;
     * Refusing to accredit schools simply because they are
for-profit; and
     * Refusing to allow ABA-approved law schools to accept
credits for classes at schools that are state-accredited but not
ABA-approved. 
     The settlement also:
     *  Establishes a special committee to determine if ABA
accreditation requirements in six other areas should be revised--
student to faculty ratios, teaching loads, sabbaticals, bar
preparation courses, facilities, and other resources.
     *  Opens up the ABA accreditation process so that it is no
longer controlled by legal faculty who benefit from requiring
better pay and working conditions.
     "The powerful status of the ABA does not insulate it from
the antitrust laws," said Bingaman.  "The Antitrust Division has
sued many professional trade associations, which, like the ABA,
have violated the antitrust laws.  Lawyers must keep their own
house in order as well."
     The complaint charges that the ABA's accreditation process
had the effect of pressuring law schools to raise salaries to the
national or regional median.  The Department said by pressuring
schools to pay the median salary, the ABA kept raising the target
that schools had to meet.
     About 90 percent of the ABA's Section of Legal Education
members are law faculty.  The section is responsible for the law
school accreditation program, which has operated without adequate
oversight.  The complaint alleges that the lack of oversight has
led to abuses in the accreditation process, leading to an undue
focus on guild concerns rather than quality education.
     Through the process established by the consent decree, the
ABA will work in the months ahead to revise its accreditation
standards to address the problems identified in the government's
complaint.  Bingaman said, "We are pleased that the ABA has acted
promptly and responsibly to address these issues, so that its
important role in accrediting the nation's law schools can be
performed appropriately and effectively."
     The ABA, which is headquartered in Chicago, is the world's
largest professional association for lawyers.  There are
currently 177 ABA-approved law schools.
     To become effective, the consent decree must be approved by
the court following a 60-day comment period as required by the
Antitrust Procedures and Penalties Act.  If the consent decree is
approved by the court, it will settle the suit.

[sharkfish]

"you still PNW3D"

I'm sure your law professors use this language...I don't even know what that means.

uh hunh.  I'm arguing with a teenager who has a life experience of....nil. 

Bye.

[DOWNY]

"you still PNW3D"

I'm sure your law professors use this language...I don't even know what that means.

uh hunh.  I'm arguing with a teenager who has a life experience of....nil. 

Bye.

1. The claim that 'law professors don't use that language' is almost as bad as the ones you made against ABA schools. What people type on a message board does not correlate to the language they use in law school. You were pwn3d, and you are a TTT. I'll try really hard not to include those terms in my next memo.

2. Even assuming your 'no life experience' ad hom was true, it doesn't answer the fact that dgatl and DOWNY will have better jobs than you and will be making more money, regardless of what TTT experiences you think you have.

HTH

[sharkfish]

Hey, let's all be friends and watch Law and Order together...

But seriously...I am very biased so my statements will reflect that.

I like jeffjoe's approach:  live and let live.  I enjoy a good debate, so I may have gone to far.

Please accept my apologies for being insensitive and over-zealous.

Cheers.

[ruskiegirl]

Mr. Downy

http://www.jdjive.com/read.php?1,36265,36284#msg-36284

"I worked for the court for a while and 3 times I saw "correspondence schools takers" kick the ass of one Boalt Hall lawyers practicing for almost 10 years, one Golden Gate lawyer practicing for almost 3 years and one other lawschool I can't remember except it was ABA."

Your exceptionally valid evidence has opened my eyes!  What was I thinking going to Boalt?!  What a TTT!  I shall immediately gather the necessary materials and transfer into a distance learning program, thereby significantly increasing my chances of placement at Skadden, MoFo, and Wachtell.

I have been decieved!  We have ALL been decieved!  Save yourselves from your ABA-accredited degrees while you still can, especially those of you who go to Yale -- you need all the help you can get!

[sharkfish]

Congratulations on missing the point entirely.

1.  Go to ABA if you can afford the tuition/qualify for financial aid/have the spare time
2.  If you can't go ABA go non-ABA brick and mortar
3.  If neither 1 & 2 are possible, distance learning JDs are a valid OPTION, as evidenced by the many successful DL lawyers as presented on my blog


I'm too old and crotchety to argue with twenty-somethings, dammit!

[DOWNY]

I'm too old and crotchety to argue with twenty-somethings, dammit!

It didn't seem to stop you before.

Although, I am glad you apologized in your previous post, because your TTTness was really starting to get on my nerves.

Finally, two pieces of advice:
1. Don't act like a religious fanatic or an escaped Taliban commando the next time you advocate DL- it will only make you look crazy, and will hurt your credibility.

2. You had better get used to us 20-somethings, because we have a large role in the legal profession and you will have to deal with us when you graduate.

HTH

[sharkfish]

"1. Don't act like a religious fanatic or an escaped Taliban commando the next time you advocate DL- it will only make you look crazy, and will hurt your credibility."


Still advocating DL, still feeling good about it.  See my previous post in this thread.  Actually reading the post before you respond will save you embarassment in the future.

Buh-bye.

[DOWNY]

"1. Don't act like a religious fanatic or an escaped Taliban commando the next time you advocate DL- it will only make you look crazy, and will hurt your credibility."


Still advocating DL, still feeling good about it.  See my previous post in this thread.  Actually reading the post before you respond will save you embarassment in the future.

Buh-bye.

Your post is not at all responsive to anything I have said. I did not take issue with your support of DL, only with your methods of doing so. The fact that your last post could have been written by a reasonable individual does not negate the raving madness of your other posts, as well as your blog.

Second, your TTT mind is incapable of embarrassing me. However, learning to spell might save you from future embarrassment.

HTH and pwn3d!