2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is

[Stroopwafel]

You rock... people have been asking for that for ages.  I'm not really interested in any of the schools in this category except Suffolk, which I was disappointed to see didn't move up.

I think the T3/T4 distinction doesn't mean that much anyway, though.  To me there are the decent T3/T4, and then the T4 that are truly "TTTT" (I'd say Cooley, Appalachian, maybe Western New England and Roger Williams)

I don't think it's fair to schools like Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, U Baltimore, that they're in the same category as the above.

No prob.

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

Talked to people at William Mitchell and Hamline and asked them to address their views on the USNWR rankings.

The WM lady : "We don't have to worry about that. We place all the people we need to locally, and this has been our focus from the start. If you graduate from here, you will have no problem passing the MN bar and working anywhere in Minnesota and Wisconsin."

The Hamline lady (the person who answered the phone at both places were women):
She laughed and said roughly, "Oh that. We put everything into local reputation and placement. Our focus is also on public interest and in mediation. We have never suffered from the rankings."

FYI:
recent bar passage rates:
      Total 2003
Hamline             88%
William Mitchell    88%

MN                  90%

Oddly the impression that I got was that U of Minnesota, Hamline, or William Mitchell didn't take the USNWR rankings very seriously. But they did take their local rep in MN and WI very (very) seriously.

Good if you want to stay local, maybe no so great of you want to go national. Which of course could be said about most of the schools outside of the t40.

I'm just sayin' is all.

[Eyes of the World]

after the T14, you are on your own. these are the only schools that will help you nationally.
           
     1. Yale University (CT)
  100 4.8 4.7 3.79-3.96 168-175   6.5%   7.9   96.7%   98.3% 94.8%/NY   75%
     2. Harvard University (MA)
    94 4.8 4.8 3.73-3.94 169-175 11.3% 11.3   98.1%   99.4% 96.3%/NY   75%
     3. Stanford University (CA)
    93 4.8 4.7 3.77-3.94 166-172   7.7%   9.5   99.0%   99.1% 90.2%/CA   60%
     4. Columbia University (NY)
    89 4.7 4.6 3.50-3.83 167-173 14.2% 11.2   97.8%   98.5% 96.3%/NY   75%
     5. New York University 
    86 4.5 4.4 3.57-3.85 167-172 19.8% 11.2   97.5%   99.3% 96.8%/NY   75%
     6. University of Chicago 
    82 4.6 4.7 3.47-3.78 167-171 15.8% 10.1   98.1%   98.5% 97.0%/IL   84%
     7. University of Pennsylvania 
    81 4.3 4.4 3.45-3.81 166-171 15.7% 13.1 100.0% 100.0% 92.0%/NY   75%
     8. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 
    80 4.5 4.6 3.44-3.77 164-169 19.9% 16.0   94.1%   98.6% 95.2%/NY   75%
     8. University of Virginia 
    80 4.3 4.6 3.49-3.82 166-171 18.7% 13.6   95.9%   99.7% 93.2%/VA   72%
   10. Northwestern University (IL)
    79 4.1 4.3 3.47-3.78 166-170 16.1% 12.5   97.7%   99.5%† 97.6%/IL   84%
   11. Cornell University (NY)
    78 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.76 164-168 19.2% 10.7   98.3%   98.3% 92.5%/NY   75%
   11. Duke University (NC)
    78 4.2 4.4 3.38-3.83 162-169 21.2% 11.7   96.7% 100.0% 98.6%/NY   75%
   11. University of California–Berkeley 
    78 4.5 4.4 3.63-3.90 161-168 10.0% 14.4   89.8%   97.7% 89.0%/CA   60%
   14. Georgetown University (DC)
    75 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.80 166-170 18.4% 14.8   92.9%   98.3% 91.6%/NY   75%

[Erapitt]

Saying only the T14 will help you nationally is ludicris.  GW is ranked #20 by U.S. News but was ranked #15 in a recent study on placement at elite firms nationwide.  Look at the statistics.  You people and your T14 crap crack me up.  No lawyer refers to the "T14" lol.  You are going to hear about the triage, the top 10, top 15, top 20, maybe the top 25, and then "everyone else."

[Eyes of the World]

you are going to GW, correct? motive.
please produce said study.

[mxpocc]

no one knows anything. everyone who isn't a lawyer should shut the hell up.

 

[Erapitt]

http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/draft14.pdf


http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/rankings/03_most_national.html

[Eyes of the World]

no one knows anything. everyone who isn't a lawyer should shut the hell up.

 

extreme ans type

[Eyes of the World]

http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/draft14.pdf


http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/rankings/03_most_national.html

alright, i believe you. now all you need to do is grad at the top of your class and you are set for big law.

[limonjello]

after the T14, you are on your own. these are the only schools that will help you nationally.
           
     1. Yale University (CT)
  100 4.8 4.7 3.79-3.96 168-175   6.5%   7.9   96.7%   98.3% 94.8%/NY   75%
     2. Harvard University (MA)
    94 4.8 4.8 3.73-3.94 169-175 11.3% 11.3   98.1%   99.4% 96.3%/NY   75%
     3. Stanford University (CA)
    93 4.8 4.7 3.77-3.94 166-172   7.7%   9.5   99.0%   99.1% 90.2%/CA   60%
     4. Columbia University (NY)
    89 4.7 4.6 3.50-3.83 167-173 14.2% 11.2   97.8%   98.5% 96.3%/NY   75%
     5. New York University 
    86 4.5 4.4 3.57-3.85 167-172 19.8% 11.2   97.5%   99.3% 96.8%/NY   75%
     6. University of Chicago 
    82 4.6 4.7 3.47-3.78 167-171 15.8% 10.1   98.1%   98.5% 97.0%/IL   84%
     7. University of Pennsylvania 
    81 4.3 4.4 3.45-3.81 166-171 15.7% 13.1 100.0% 100.0% 92.0%/NY   75%
     8. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 
    80 4.5 4.6 3.44-3.77 164-169 19.9% 16.0   94.1%   98.6% 95.2%/NY   75%
     8. University of Virginia 
    80 4.3 4.6 3.49-3.82 166-171 18.7% 13.6   95.9%   99.7% 93.2%/VA   72%
   10. Northwestern University (IL)
    79 4.1 4.3 3.47-3.78 166-170 16.1% 12.5   97.7%   99.5%† 97.6%/IL   84%
   11. Cornell University (NY)
    78 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.76 164-168 19.2% 10.7   98.3%   98.3% 92.5%/NY   75%
   11. Duke University (NC)
    78 4.2 4.4 3.38-3.83 162-169 21.2% 11.7   96.7% 100.0% 98.6%/NY   75%
   11. University of California–Berkeley 
    78 4.5 4.4 3.63-3.90 161-168 10.0% 14.4   89.8%   97.7% 89.0%/CA   60%
   14. Georgetown University (DC)
    75 4.2 4.3 3.43-3.80 166-170 18.4% 14.8   92.9%   98.3% 91.6%/NY   75%

This is a ridiculously unfounded statement.  There is nothing about the "T14" that makes them significatly superior to 15-18ish.  There is no evidence to support this, and the studies cited below directly contradict the contention.

[St. Shaun]

Saying only the T14 will help you nationally is ludicris.  GW is ranked #20 by U.S. News but was ranked #15 in a recent study on placement at elite firms nationwide.  Look at the statistics.  You people and your T14 crap crack me up.  No lawyer refers to the "T14" lol.  You are going to hear about the triage, the top 10, top 15, top 20, maybe the top 25, and then "everyone else."

Those studies favor large schools and schools in big markets since they only look at overall numbers and elite firms are in big markets.