Quote from: Xony on March 29, 2005, 03:35:07 PMQuote from: I hear America singing on March 29, 2005, 03:30:35 PMTerri's not dead, people- there's a living, breathing body in that bed. The new brain might be inactive or liquified, but the brain stem (the old brain) is still very much alive.She's not dead until her heart stops on its own accord.I think calling her "dead" is a great disgrace to life and against every biological tenet we hold true. There's not a scientist in the world who wouldn't declare her body "alive".I'll say it again- legally, the tube should be removed. But don't delude yourself into thinking she died fifteen years ago. She's starving to death right now.I suppose you also think that a clump of cells in a woman's uterus is also alive. And you propose that biologically they are not?Quote from: Shira on March 29, 2005, 03:39:15 PMQuote from: I hear America singing on March 29, 2005, 03:30:35 PMShe's not dead until her heart stops on its own accord.If her heart stopped of its own accord, her parents would want her hooked up to other machines and we'd be right back at square one. They are determined to keep her body alive by any means.I don't have a problem with pulling the plug on respirators- if there's no chance, let me go. But starving her is inhumane. Someone mentioned earlier that she can't ingest food on her own. Where does this slippery slope end? What if it goes from not being able to swallow to not being able to physically place the food in your mouth? Is feeding a parapalegic considered "life support"? You are basically ensuring their survival. Likewise, a baby can't eat unless you help it. Could mothers cut off "life support" and let their babies die? I'm sure there are some lawyers that would argue the point. If grandma breaks her hip and can't reach the top shelf for food, do we slowly let her die?Terri's body wants fuel. Right now, every cell in her body is screaming to survive, since it's the utmost instinct we have. I consider withholding something somebody needs to live to be murder.Pulling out the feeding tube is equivalent in my book to sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Her stomach works, it just needs the raw material.
Quote from: I hear America singing on March 29, 2005, 03:30:35 PMTerri's not dead, people- there's a living, breathing body in that bed. The new brain might be inactive or liquified, but the brain stem (the old brain) is still very much alive.She's not dead until her heart stops on its own accord.I think calling her "dead" is a great disgrace to life and against every biological tenet we hold true. There's not a scientist in the world who wouldn't declare her body "alive".I'll say it again- legally, the tube should be removed. But don't delude yourself into thinking she died fifteen years ago. She's starving to death right now.I suppose you also think that a clump of cells in a woman's uterus is also alive.
Terri's not dead, people- there's a living, breathing body in that bed. The new brain might be inactive or liquified, but the brain stem (the old brain) is still very much alive.She's not dead until her heart stops on its own accord.I think calling her "dead" is a great disgrace to life and against every biological tenet we hold true. There's not a scientist in the world who wouldn't declare her body "alive".I'll say it again- legally, the tube should be removed. But don't delude yourself into thinking she died fifteen years ago. She's starving to death right now.
Quote from: I hear America singing on March 29, 2005, 03:30:35 PMShe's not dead until her heart stops on its own accord.If her heart stopped of its own accord, her parents would want her hooked up to other machines and we'd be right back at square one. They are determined to keep her body alive by any means.
She's not dead until her heart stops on its own accord.
The count is now at 47: A man was tasered by police for resisting arrest. He was carrying two water bottles. Imagine that scene for a moment.In 2005, a man was tasered by police in an effort to bring water to a dying woman. I disagree vehemently with his tactics but admire his dedication to an ideal.What would happen legally if someone (her parents or a protestor) did manage to break in and wet her lips with a sponge or piece of ice? They'd be breaking the law obviously, but can you really see someone being led away in handcuffs for moistening the lips of a dying woman? If it were caught on camera, it would surely be one of those Elian Gonzalez moments that would galvanize the nation.
Quote from: I hear America singing on March 29, 2005, 01:59:50 PMThe count is now at 47: A man was tasered by police for resisting arrest. He was carrying two water bottles. Imagine that scene for a moment.In 2005, a man was tasered by police in an effort to bring water to a dying woman. I disagree vehemently with his tactics but admire his dedication to an ideal.What would happen legally if someone (her parents or a protestor) did manage to break in and wet her lips with a sponge or piece of ice? They'd be breaking the law obviously, but can you really see someone being led away in handcuffs for moistening the lips of a dying woman? If it were caught on camera, it would surely be one of those Elian Gonzalez moments that would galvanize the nation.Thye should be arrested and throwen in Jail for infringing on her rights. I don't think parents should take kids to Church becasue it is bad for them, should I kidnap them. I don't think people whould eat meat, should I break into thier house and take it away. What about cigarets should I take a smoke out of someones mouth becasue I think it will kill them. These arrogent fuckers trying to force their beleifs on Terri should get lengthy prison sentances. Having beleis and convictions is one thing. Forcing them on others is arrogent, self-centered, and often illegal. Why don't they find some productive to do with their time (adopt some kids, build house, feed the hungry) and leave the self-service publisity bull to real celebrities. Quote from: I hear America singing on March 29, 2005, 03:30:35 PMTerri's not dead, people- there's a living, breathing body in that bed. The new brain might be inactive or liquified, but the brain stem (the old brain) is still very much alive.She's not dead until her heart stops on its own accord.I think calling her "dead" is a great disgrace to life and against every biological tenet we hold true. There's not a scientist in the world who wouldn't declare her body "alive".I'll say it again- legally, the tube should be removed. But don't delude yourself into thinking she died fifteen years ago. She's starving to death right now.We can remove a heart from a body and get it to beat. Hell we can make a dead body move around a bit. Life is in the brain not the heart the lungs, the feat, or anyother place. No brain no life.
On a cellular level, her body knows. It's starting to go through the process of burning whatever fat may exist.
I wouldn't want to die based on a "best guess".
You put so much stock into the "old" brain. I find this curious, namely becuase your faith and belief in God seems important to you. Your pondering, your beliefs, your certainty that God exists, your soul searching to find your own faith, my decision to reject my faith, this all comes form our "new" brain.How is it that you put so much more emphasis on the biological parts, and so little emphasis on what makes us human, essentially our "new" brain?
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