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FSU/Hamline/Toledo

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2005, 10:44:44 PM »
Hamline is in the top ten most conservative law schools list from Princeon Review.

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2005, 07:36:02 AM »
Hamline is in the top ten most conservative law schools list from Princeon Review.

I wonder how they feel about Atheist attending...:)

What's number 1? Regent?

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2005, 07:36:40 AM »
The general consensus is that you should go to school as close to where you want to practice as possible. If you know where you want to practice, that is.  ;)

I know. :-) I'm going to thw twin cities this weekend. Hopefully,I'll have a better idea what I want to do after that.

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Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2005, 07:39:24 AM »
I think you should go to Hamline....because I am on Hold at FSU. 

Seriously now, based on what I see, it seems like you're leaning toward Hamline and FSU.  You mentioned about not having a car (choose Hamline). You mentioned about maybe wanting to live in FL (choose FSU). You mention finance matters (choose Hamline). You mentioned about ranking (choose FSU).  You mentioned you *love* to practice in the twin cities (choose Hamline).  I think your visit should really help you to wheter you like Hamline or FSU.







Yeah,my visit will decide things one way or another. But I hope you get off hold either way.  :)

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2005, 07:49:54 AM »
Hamline is in the top ten most conservative law schools list from Princeon Review.

Really?  Their curriculum sounds sorta liberal to me.  This might change things....

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2005, 07:53:09 AM »
Where are Hamline's salary statistics?  I'm worried about going to a school with a median salary lower than what I'm making pre-law school....

(note: the accuracy of this data has been questioned greatly by lsn'ers, so take this data w/ a grain of salt.)
MEDIAN SALARY PUBLIC
No. Law School State Public Median Salary
1 U. of San Francisco CA $52,500
2 U. of Tulsa OK $52,500
3 Santa Clara University CA $51,388
4 U. of San Diego CA $51,000
5 U. of Virginia VA $50,000
6 California Western CA $48,000
7 Ohio Northern University OH $48,000
8 U. of the Pacific (McGeorge) CA $47,000
9 Loyola Law School CA $46,992
10 Southwestern Univ. CA $46,800
11 Cardozo-Yeshiva University NY $46,000
12 New York Law School NY $46,000
13 U. of Southern California CA $46,000
14 Columbia University NY $45,716
15 Brooklyn Law School NY $45,000
16 Florida State University FL $45,000
17 Fordham University NY $45,000
18 Georgia State University GA $45,000
19 Indiana U.-Bloomington IN $45,000
20 St. John's University NY $45,000
21 Wayne State U. MI $45,000
22 Yale University CT $45,000
23 U. of California-Los Angeles CA $44,500
24 George Mason University VA $44,353
25 New York University NY $44,352
26 Harvard University MA $44,222
27 U. of California-Davis CA $44,221
28 Arizona State University AZ $44,200
29 Tulane University LA $44,000
30 U. of Arizona (Rogers) AZ $44,000
31 U. of Chicago IL $44,000
32 U. of Hawaii HI $43,500
33 Cornell University NY $43,326
34 U. of Michigan-Ann Arbor MI $43,326
35 Case Western Reserve U. OH $43,250
36 Northern Illinois University IL $43,005
37 Albany Law School Union U. NY $43,000
38 Emory University GA $43,000
39 Georgetown University DC $43,000
40 Hofstra University NY $43,000
41 Howard University DC $43,000
42 Pace University NY $43,000
43 U. of Connecticut CT $43,000
44 U. of Detroit Mercy MI $43,000
45 Washington and Lee U. VA $43,000
46 American University DC $42,800
47 College of William and Mary VA $42,500
48 George Washington U. DC $42,500
49 South Texas Col. of Law TX $42,250
50 U. of Colorado-Boulder CO $42,250
51 Boston University MA $42,000
52 Temple University (Beasley) PA $42,000
53 Touro College (Fuchsberg) NY $42,000
54 U. of Illinois-Urbana-Champ. IL $42,000
55 U. of Pennsylvania PA $42,000
56 U. of Richmond VA $42,000
57 Northeastern University MA $41,800
58 John Marshall IL $41,750
59 Gonzaga University WA $41,720
60 New England Sch. of Law MA $41,385  
61 Cleveland State U. (Marshall) OH $41,377
62 U. of Cincinnati OH $41,227
63 Illinois Inst. of Tech. (Kent) IL $41,120
64 Baylor University TX $41,000
65 Boston College MA $41,000
66 Brigham Young University UT $41,000
67 CUNY-Queens College NY $41,000
68 Duke University NC $41,000
69 Seattle University WA $41,000
70 Southern Methodist Univ. TX $41,000
71 U. of Houston TX $40,833
72 U. of Texas-Austin TX $40,717
73 U. of Utah (SJ Quinney) UT $40,643
74 U. of Akron OH $40,639
75 U. of N. Carolina-Chap. Hill NC $40,562  
76 St. Louis University MO $40,500
77 U. of Georgia GA $40,500
78 U. of Mississippi MS $40,441
79 Catholic U. of America DC $40,367
80 Indiana U.-Indianapolis IN $40,072
81 Capital University OH $40,000
82 DePaul University IL $40,000
83 Northwestern University IL $40,000
84 Regent University VA $40,000
85 Suffolk University MA $40,000
86 Syracuse University NY $40,000
87 Thomas M. Cooley MI $40,000
88 U. of California (Hastings) CA $40,000
89 U. of California-Berkeley CA $40,000
90 U. of Iowa IA $40,000
91 U. of Memphis TN $40,000
92 U. of Notre Dame IN $40,000
93 U. of Oklahoma OK $40,000
94 U. of Pittsburgh PA $40,000
95 U. of Washington WA $40,000
96 U. of Wisconsin-Madison WI $40,000
97 Valparaiso University IN $40,000
98 Wake Forest University NC $40,000
99 Washington U. in St Louis MO $40,000
100 Western New England MA $40,000
101 Willamette University OR $40,000
102 Marquette University WI $39,950
103 Ohio State University (Moritz) OH $39,873
104 U. of Toledo OH $39,812
105 Loyola U. Chicago IL $39,738
106 Golden Gate University CA $39,520
107 U. of Dayton OH $39,500
108 U. of Kansas KS $39,000
109 U. of Wyoming WY $39,000
110 Samford U. (Cumberland) AL $38,500
111 Seton Hall University NJ $38,500
112 U. at Buffalo NY $38,500
113 U. of New Mexico NM $38,500
114 U. of Maine ME $38,200
115 U. of Minnesota-Twin Cities MN $38,064
116 Washburn University KS $38,044
117 Campbell University NC $38,000
118 Drake University IA $38,000
119 Mercer University (GA) GA $38,000
120 Oklahoma City University OK $38,000
121 Rutgers State U.-Camden NJ $38,000
122 Texas Wesleyan University TX $38,000
123 U. of Denver CO $38,000
124 Villanova University PA $38,000
125 Whittier+A1 CA $38,000
126 Stanford University CA $37,500
127 Widener University DE $37,450
128 U. of Oregon OR $37,224
129 Northern Kentucky U. (Chase) KY $37,000
130 U. of Miami FL $37,000
131 U. of Idaho ID $36,838
132 Vermont Law School VT $36,800
133 Quinnipiac University CT $36,750
134 U. of Maryland MD $36,539
135 U. of Nebraska-Lincoln NE $36,500
136 U. of Arkansas-Little Rock AR $36,400
137 Lewis & Clark (Northwestern) OR $36,000
138 Roger Williams University RI $36,000
139 Southern Illinois-Carbondale IL $36,000
140 St. Thomas University FL $36,000
141 Stetson University FL $36,000
142 Texas Tech University TX $36,000
143 U. of Florida (Levin) FL $36,000
144 U. of Missouri-Kansas City MO $36,000
145 West Virginia U. WV $36,000
146 Mississippi College MS $35,894
147 Creighton University NE $35,750
148 U. of Alabama AL $35,612
149 Florida Coastal FL $35,000
150 Franklin Pierce Law Center NH $35,000
151 Michigan State Univ-DCL MI $35,000
152 Penn State U. (Dickinson) PA $35,000
153 St. Mary's University TX $35,000
154 Vanderbilt University TN $35,000
155 U. of South Carolina SC $34,120
156 Duquesne University PA $34,000
157 U. of Kentucky KY $34,000
158 U. of Montana MT $34,000
159 U. of South Dakota SD $33,280
160 U. of Tennessee-Knoxville TN $33,000
161 William Mitchell MN $33,000
162 Pepperdine University CA $32,857
163 Hamline University MN $32,800
164 Loyola U. New Orleans LA $32,600
165 U. of Louisville (Brandeis) KY $32,000
166 U. of Missouri-Columbia MO $32,000
167 Chapman University CA N /A
168 Louisiana State-Baton Rouge LA N /A
169 North Carolina Central U. NC N /A
170 Nova Southeastern University FL N /A
171 Rutgers State U.-Newark NJ N /A
172 Southern University LA N /A
173 Texas Southern University TX N /A
174 Thomas Jefferson CA N /A
175 U. of Arkansas-Fayetteville AR N /A
176 U. of Baltimore MD N /A
177 U. of North Dakota ND N /A

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/median.php/1/desc/MSPublic

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2005, 07:59:37 AM »
Where are Hamline's salary statistics?  I'm worried about going to a school with a median salary lower than what I'm making pre-law school....
(note: the accuracy of this data has been questioned greatly by lsn'ers, so take this data w/ a grain of salt.)
MEDIAN SALARY PRIVATE
No.   Law School   State   Median Salary Private
1   Boston College   MA   $125,000
2   Boston University   MA   $125,000
3   Columbia University   NY   $125,000
4   Cornell University   NY   $125,000
5   Duke University   NC   $125,000
6   Florida State University   FL   $125,000
7   Fordham University   NY   $125,000
8   George Washington U.   DC   $125,000
9   Georgetown University   DC   $125,000
10   Harvard University   MA   $125,000
11   New York University   NY   $125,000
12   Northwestern University   IL   $125,000
13   U. of California (Hastings)   CA   $125,000
14   U. of California-Berkeley   CA   $125,000
15   U. of California-Los Angeles   CA   $125,000
16   U. of Chicago   IL   $125,000
17   U. of Michigan-Ann Arbor   MI   $125,000
18   U. of Pennsylvania   PA   $125,000
19   U. of Southern California   CA   $125,000
20   Yale University   CT   $125,000
21   Santa Clara University   CA   $122,000
22   Brooklyn Law School   NY   $115,000
23   U. of Virginia   VA   $115,000
24   American University   DC   $111,250
25   Cardozo-Yeshiva University   NY   $110,000
26   Howard University   DC   $110,000
27   Vanderbilt University   TN   $110,000
28   U. of California-Davis   CA   $107,500
29   Stanford University   CA   $102,000
30   Rutgers State U.-Newark   NJ   $101,089
31   U. of Texas-Austin   TX   $100,114
32   Emory University   GA   $100,000
33   Franklin Pierce Law Center   NH   $100,000
34   Loyola U. Chicago   IL   $100,000
35   Tulane University   LA   $100,000
36   U. of Georgia   GA   $100,000
37   U. of Houston   TX   $100,000
38   U. of N. Carolina-Chap. Hill   NC   $100,000
39   U. of Notre Dame   IN   $100,000
40   U. of San Francisco   CA   $100,000
41   Villanova University   PA   $100,000
42   College of William and Mary   VA   $95,000
43   New York Law School   NY   $95,000
44   Northeastern University   MA   $95,000
45   U. of Illinois-Urbana-Champ.   IL   $95,000
46   U. of Wisconsin-Madison   WI   $94,000
47   U. of Washington   WA   $92,500
48   Temple University (Beasley)   PA   $92,000
49   U. of Minnesota-Twin Cities   MN   $90,000
50   Washington U. in St Louis   MO   $90,000
51   George Mason University   VA   $86,500
52   Brigham Young University   UT   $85,000
53   Case Western Reserve U.   OH   $85,000
54   U. of Pittsburgh   PA   $84,000
55   U. of Connecticut   CT   $82,750
56   Catholic U. of America   DC   $82,500
57   Rutgers State U.-Camden   NJ   $82,500
58   U. of Miami   FL   $82,500
59   Seton Hall University   NJ   $81,000
60   Washington and Lee U.   VA   $81,000
61   Southwestern Univ.   CA   $80,500
62   Arizona State University   AZ   $80,000
63   U. of Alabama   AL   $80,000
64   U. of Iowa   IA   $80,000
65   Loyola Law School   CA   $79,000
66   U. of San Diego   CA   $76,250
67   Ohio State University (Moritz)   OH   $76,000
68   Pepperdine University   CA   $75,111
69   Georgia State University   GA   $75,000
70   Hofstra University   NY   $75,000
71   Illinois Inst. of Tech. (Kent)   IL   $75,000
72   Indiana U.-Bloomington   IN   $75,000
73   South Texas Col. of Law   TX   $75,000
74   Southern Methodist Univ.   TX   $75,000
75   St. John's University   NY   $75,000
76   U. of Arizona (Rogers)   AZ   $75,000
77   Loyola U. New Orleans   LA   $74,000
78   U. of Florida (Levin)   FL   $71,320
79   U. of Maryland   MD   $70,776
80   U. of Denver   CO   $69,000
81   Baylor University   TX   $68,000
82   U. of Cincinnati   OH   $67,500
83   Texas Tech University   TX   $67,000
84   Wake Forest University   NC   $67,000
85   Duquesne University   PA   $65,000
86   U. of Louisville (Brandeis)   KY   $65,000
87   Wayne State U.   MI   $65,000
88   Cleveland State U. (Marshall)   OH   $62,000
89   Quinnipiac University   CT   $62,000
90   U. of Hawaii   HI   $61,000
91   U. of Kentucky   KY   $61,000
92   U. of Tennessee-Knoxville   TN   $60,750
93   California Western   CA   $60,000
94   DePaul University   IL   $60,000
95   St. Louis University   MO   $60,000
96   Suffolk University   MA   $60,000
97   Syracuse University   NY   $60,000
98   U. of Richmond   VA   $60,000
99   U. of South Carolina   SC   $60,000
100   U. of Utah (SJ Quinney)   UT   $60,000
101   Whittier+A1   CA   $60,000
102   Golden Gate University   CA   $59,000
103   Ohio Northern University   OH   $58,000
104   Chapman University   CA   $57,000
105   U. of the Pacific (McGeorge)   CA   $56,500
106   U. of Memphis   TN   $56,000
107   John Marshall   IL   $55,500
108   Florida Coastal   FL   $55,000
109   Stetson University   FL   $55,000
110   U. of Missouri-Kansas City   MO   $55,000
111   U. of Mississippi   MS   $54,687
112   William Mitchell   MN   $54,500
113   Mississippi College   MS   $53,500
114   U. of Detroit Mercy   MI   $53,500
115   Willamette University   OR   $52,250
116   Pace University   NY   $52,000
117   Lewis & Clark (Northwestern)   OR   $51,000
118   Marquette University   WI   $51,000
119   St. Thomas University   FL   $51,000
120   U. of Oregon   OR   $50,500
121   Capital University   OH   $50,000
122   Indiana U.-Indianapolis   IN   $50,000
123   Mercer University (GA)   GA   $50,000
124   Michigan State Univ-DCL   MI   $50,000
125   Penn State U. (Dickinson)   PA   $50,000
126   Samford U. (Cumberland)   AL   $50,000
127   Seattle University   WA   $50,000
128   St. Mary's University   TX   $50,000
129   Texas Wesleyan University   TX   $50,000
130   U. at Buffalo   NY   $50,000
131   U. of Colorado-Boulder   CO   $50,000
132   U. of Kansas   KS   $50,000
133   U. of Maine   ME   $50,000
134   U. of Oklahoma   OK   $50,000
135   U. of Toledo   OH   $50,000
136   Valparaiso University   IN   $50,000
137   Western New England   MA   $50,000
138   Widener University   DE   $50,000
139   U. of Tulsa   OK   $49,500
140   Creighton University   NE   $48,500
141   Albany Law School Union U.   NY   $48,000
142   New England Sch. of Law   MA   $48,000
143   Touro College (Fuchsberg)   NY   $48,000
144   Drake University   IA   $47,500
145   U. of Arkansas-Little Rock   AR   $47,000
146   U. of Akron   OH   $46,636
147   U. of South Dakota   SD   $46,250
148   West Virginia U.   WV   $45,614
149   Campbell University   NC   $45,000
150   Northern Kentucky U. (Chase)   KY   $45,000
151   U. of Dayton   OH   $45,000
152   U. of New Mexico   NM   $44,500
153   Northern Illinois University   IL   $44,362
154   U. of Idaho   ID   $44,256
155   Hamline University   MN   $44,000
156   Southern Illinois-Carbondale   IL   $43,250
157   U. of Nebraska-Lincoln   NE   $43,000
158   Oklahoma City University   OK   $42,000
159   Washburn University   KS   $41,750
160   CUNY-Queens College   NY   $41,210
161   Gonzaga University   WA   $40,000
162   Roger Williams University   RI   $40,000
163   Thomas M. Cooley   MI   $40,000
164   U. of Missouri-Columbia   MO   $40,000
165   Vermont Law School   VT   $40,000
166   U. of Montana   MT   $37,500
167   Regent University   VA   $36,500
168   U. of Wyoming   WY   $36,000
169   Louisiana State-Baton Rouge   LA   N /A
170   North Carolina Central U.   NC   N /A
171   Nova Southeastern University   FL   N /A
172   Southern University   LA   N /A
173   Texas Southern University   TX   N /A
174   Thomas Jefferson   CA   N /A
175   U. of Arkansas-Fayetteville   AR   N /A
176   U. of Baltimore   MD   N /A
177   U. of North Dakota   ND   N /A

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/median.php/1/desc/MSPrivate

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2005, 08:08:46 AM »
Thanks for the link!  

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2005, 08:42:37 AM »
That list is not accurate at all!

Re: FSU/Hamline/Toledo
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2005, 09:13:51 AM »
That list is not accurate at all!

i cannot attest to the accuracy, Internet Legal Research Group came up w/ it, as an
"...index to all 177 U.S. law schools, based upon the raw data reported by each school for 2003."

http://www.ilrg.com/