but dont tell me that the reason you are poor and un educated is because your great great grandfater was a slave. that doesnt hold.if that were a "true" and logical statement than ANY person who is the descendant of slaves would be poor and uneducated, and we all know that isnt the case.
Quote from: TBoneUCLA on March 15, 2005, 05:45:16 PMbut dont tell me that the reason you are poor and un educated is because your great great grandfater was a slave. that doesnt hold.if that were a "true" and logical statement than ANY person who is the descendant of slaves would be poor and uneducated, and we all know that isnt the case.TBone, sorry to nitpick, but you are making a logical error here. I might say, "I am sad because it is cloudy today." You may agree or disagree. But there is no logical implication that anyone else will be sad because it is cloudy. See what I'm saying? I suspect you have other reasons for thinking that someone saying, "I'm poor and uneducated because my great grandfather was a slave" is wrong. Perhaps you would like to make that argument using clearer language and logic? I'm teasing a little. Please do not take offense.
Your math is wrong.In 2000, according to the US Census, 69.13% (194,552,774) of the population was categorized as white/non-hispanic. 12.06% (33,947,837) was categorized as black.24% of 33,947,837 is 8,147,48110% of 194,552,774 is 19,455,277This means that there are about 139% more impoverished whites than blacks.
Ninja,I am sorry; my wording may have been a bit off there. Let me clarify. What I meant was not that the number of impoverished Blacks is greater than the number of impoverished Whites. What I meant was that the percentage of impoverished Blacks is higher than the percentage of impoverished Whites even though a greater percentage of the population is White than is Black.Race is statistically correlated with poverty.Quote from: Ninja on March 15, 2005, 08:42:15 PMYour math is wrong.In 2000, according to the US Census, 69.13% (194,552,774) of the population was categorized as white/non-hispanic. 12.06% (33,947,837) was categorized as black.24% of 33,947,837 is 8,147,48110% of 194,552,774 is 19,455,277This means that there are about 139% more impoverished whites than blacks.
... the question is whether a race with a 24% impoverished rate should receive blanket aid while a race with a 10% impoverished rate receives none...
I haven't read all of this huge thread but from what I understand some people consider African American's socio-economically disadvantaged situation to be very much an effect of slavery. I don't think so though. There are so many peoples and races in this world that have gone through enslavement, brutalization, extermination, and torture, systematically, continuously and by persons of seperate races, that many times did so because they thought the ones one the receiving end were inferior. Slavery overall was awful, and yes slavery here many times was even worse and it lasted for a few hundred years. But was the slavery here much worse than the systematic hatred of the jews and then finally a termination of 6 million of them in the most horrible ways, was it worse than a few hundred years of enslavement, looting, and torture by the British, French, and other colonizers of eastern countries. My own ancestors were tortured and killed by the British who systematically colonized and enslaved India. I have not one bit of a detractive effect by that fact. Was it worse than the brutal and systematic Japanese killing and torture of millions upon millions of Chinese and other Asians from the countries it colonized. The examples of immense suffering by many peoples is plenty through out history but some have achieved much even after that wheras others haven't. There is still systematic subtle racism in many parts of the world toward many peoples but some exceed wheras others don't. I am ethnically from the present day Pakistan. Pakistan is behind in many ways but I by no large means at all contribute that to the fact that many of its people up till world war two were enslaved and looted from by the British. That really is not why the nation is behind. It and its people are a little behind because they haven't implemented the right political and economic strategies. Look at Japan, its people suffered through their own government, were bombed the hell out of them and now look where they are. There are examples both ways of people who were as severely treated by others. The question is that how well you deal with it and how well you initiate to do something about it and not let that hold you back, rather than dwelling about it.I believe that those who achieve, achieve on their own initiative, no matter the obstacles to them and those who don't, don't do so because of their own lack of initiative, not because of someone else. I am not saying that slavery did not have an adverse affect, by I do believe it cannot be blamed for the problems of African Americans, as much to the extent as it is being blamed upon.