In addition, I thought you wanted everyone to stay out of your bedroom. Isn't that what you say is the only difference between you and a straight person? If that's the case, you can't have it both ways.
This is why AA is so fundamentally unfair. It purports to be a means of advancing diversity, but it does so through an assumption that diversity will be achieved by admitting a certain number of people based on their melanin content. Such an assumption is unwarranted. Like you said, there are very rich black people who certainly do not need AA, and there are definitely white people who have overcome crazy-ass problems and would add to a diverse class--but not based on their skin, but rather through who they are, the experiences they've had, the viewpoints they can contribute. Humans shouldn't be reduced to skin color, and that's what AA does.
Und here vee go…We all had a fair chance all that’s different in your skin tone?The “it was 50 years ago get over it” attitude disgusts me. Indeed the fact that this country had separate water fountains for the black and white race in the early 1900’s IS a reason to have affirmative action. Indeed there are those of us who have parents who had to ordeal horrible retched things which this nation condoned. Yes, there are those of us who have grandparents who can remember days even darker than those our parents lived. Slavery… SLAVERY ended in 1865. Were are only a few generations from being enslaved. My grandparents were born in the 1930’s. They had first hand account of people who were slaves. My mother can tell me those stories. Me, my mother, my grandparents, slaves. I am only four generations removed from a time that my feet were shackled and you, gay or not, had a right to own me. Get over it?It was only 1965/66 fifteen years before I was born that blacks were given the right to vote and that right was enforced and protected. Whose parents were born after 1965? I grew up in a society that has only found my race (rich, poor, light, dark, or otherwise) acceptable to vote for 30 or so years! This country disallowed MY FATHER his right to vote. The right to shape the nation which his child (me) would have to live in. He was not allowed to correct the injustices of his generation so you better believe they have effected my generation of Black Americans – whether or not they’ve seen a segregated water fountain!We rage for the white man who feels he got cheated out of a place at an ivy league and tell the little boy that runs home every day after school for fear of being shot or forced to join a gang to get over it. We talk about other peoples living in this country who have been disadvantaged or felt adversity but it’s not the same as living in the wake of such travesties which your nation condoned -- how dare you compare!So why is it, and this point is still contested, that Blacks as a whole are performing poorer than whites when we know that they are just a capable biologically? Do we address the underlying social implications and inferences which that has, figure out what social force is caused it and correct it, no we bemoan AA in the context of how it effects white men!Get over it… I think not.
i dont recal asking anyone to "get over it" as you mention
but please dont look into (through) what i am saying and try to find things to get yourself worked up over. that aint the point of this thread.
Quote from: TBoneUCLA on March 07, 2005, 03:38:35 PMi dont recal asking anyone to "get over it" as you mentionI was not quoting you as saying such but your comments about you or anybody’s parents never seeing a Whites only drinking fountain because that was over 50 years ago smacked of the “it was along time ago get over it" sentiment. Perhaps I read too much into it.Quote from: TBoneUCLA on March 07, 2005, 03:38:35 PMbut please dont look into (through) what i am saying and try to find things to get yourself worked up over. that aint the point of this thread.It's not you, injustice in general tends to get me worked up.Yes, I understand that there have been horrible things that you, your parents, and other minority groups have gone through in the course of their existence in this country. However, those injustices were not part of the foundation of this country and were not propagated in the structural make-up of this country's constitution. The effects of hate are indeed part of the human experience which we all feel in one form or another but that is just not the same as what American blacks have experienced.I agree with you that AA is not an IOU or an apology for past wrongs, but it is the best (inadequate as it may be) way we have to counteract the effects of those wrongs. I would love to see us (as a nation) address the reasons that something that ended 30 or 50 or 125 years ago is still affecting an entire segment of society wiht no other distinguishing factor than their race but as yet we have not.