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The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3400 on: January 06, 2009, 08:33:46 PM »
If a school offers you a CRS based fee waiver, does that indicate higher chance of acceptance? Just curious

Yes.

Really?  I think it just means that your LSAT is in the range of scores they're hoping to attract and maybe one other factor (like you indicated that you would like to go to school in their state). 

Either way, good luck, Fresh Prince.

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3401 on: January 06, 2009, 08:42:47 PM »

Really?  I think it just means that your LSAT is in the range of scores they're hoping to attract and maybe one other factor (like you indicated that you would like to go to school in their state). 

Either way, good luck, Fresh Prince.

The above does typically apply to non-URMs.  I have very rarely seen an URM get a fee waiver at a school and not get accepted.

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3402 on: January 06, 2009, 08:46:14 PM »

Really?  I think it just means that your LSAT is in the range of scores they're hoping to attract and maybe one other factor (like you indicated that you would like to go to school in their state). 

Either way, good luck, Fresh Prince.

The above does typically apply to non-URMs.  I have very rarely seen an URM get a fee waiver at a school and not get accepted.

Interesting.  I didn't know this.  (Also, my situation -- non-URM, yes -- was, er, idiosyncratic given my wide split, and my sense of how little fee waivers mean may be colored a bit by bitterness.)

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3403 on: January 06, 2009, 09:01:09 PM »
Plenty of people get fee waivers.  Whether it means anything depends on the school.  Yale, no.  The GULC machine, probably.

Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3404 on: January 06, 2009, 09:14:44 PM »
Well I've gotten a few but the one I liked the most was Duke. Hopefully it means something :-\

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Either way, good luck, Fresh Prince.

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3405 on: January 07, 2009, 11:29:37 AM »
Plenty of people get fee waivers.  Whether it means anything depends on the school.  Yale, no.  The GULC machine, probably.

A,

I'm an AA male, 3.1/158, some work experience(16 months as a Portfolio Analyst), some charity, and some involvement in the local religious community. Otherwise unremarkable soft factors.


However, I actually immigrated in my teens from Somalia due to my family being exiled (which i will use in my personal statement). A) Do you think I have chances at the following schools,....B) what target schools should I look at,...C) safe schools?

Boston College
Washington U St.Louis
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
George Mason
Georgetown
George Washington
UCLA

I appreciate your help, thanks.

PS,..I majored in Finance, however I went to school from 00-04, but because of financial reasons i left school for 1 year and a half, then came back and finished 9 remaining credits in the spring of 2006. Should I put this in an addendum? Will this affect my chances?



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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3406 on: January 07, 2009, 11:46:49 AM »
For what its worth, I did a bit of analysis on the performance of black males on the LSAT. Based on what Iíve found, I suspect you might be in decent shape w/ a 158. Also, please feel free to challenge my reasoning

Based on LSAT scores from 2005-2006, the average LSAT for black males was 142.96 with a standard deviation of 8.79. 3,992 black males took the test that year.

Given these numbers, it seems that a 160-161 would put someone in the 95th percentile of black male test takers (142.96 + 2*8.79 = 160.54). 5% of 3,992 is about 200, so it seems that only 200 black males broke 160 for the year.

I went through the ABA information for each of the top 14 schools, and found that well over 450 black males attend these schools. As such, one can reasonably conclude that the majority of black men at t14 schools scored below 160 on the test.

Feel free to draw whatever conclusions you feel are valid from this info.

Source:
http://lsacnet.lsac.org/Research/LSAT-Performance-Regional-Gender-Racial-Ethnic-Breakdowns-1999-00-2005-06.pdf

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3407 on: January 07, 2009, 01:23:26 PM »

Boston College
Washington U St.Louis
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
George Mason
Georgetown
George Washington
UCLA

BC - Not sure
WUSTL - In
Vanderbilt - Out
Wake Forest - In
George Mason - In
Georgetown - Out
GW - In if PT, Out if FT
UCLA - Out

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3408 on: January 07, 2009, 02:32:32 PM »
Plenty of people get fee waivers.  Whether it means anything depends on the school.  Yale, no.  The GULC machine, probably.

A,

I'm an AA male, 3.1/158, some work experience(16 months as a Portfolio Analyst), some charity, and some involvement in the local religious community. Otherwise unremarkable soft factors.


However, I actually immigrated in my teens from Somalia due to my family being exiled (which i will use in my personal statement). A) Do you think I have chances at the following schools,....B) what target schools should I look at,...C) safe schools?

Boston College
Washington U St.Louis
Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
George Mason
Georgetown
George Washington
UCLA

I appreciate your help, thanks.

PS,..I majored in Finance, however I went to school from 00-04, but because of financial reasons i left school for 1 year and a half, then came back and finished 9 remaining credits in the spring of 2006. Should I put this in an addendum? Will this affect my chances?




P.S.  Apply to Howard.  You'll most likely get a full ride, and it's a better option than any other school that you'll most likely get into.

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Re: The Official BLSD "What Are My Chances?/Where Should I Apply?" Thread
« Reply #3409 on: January 07, 2009, 02:43:02 PM »
Hmm...I am wondering if you have the numbers for 165+ scores. I recall a paper circulated around the time of the Michigan case that only 100-120 Blacks (Male and Female) break 165. I wonder how many would be male. Furthermore, I wanted to ask, how many Black males each year break that 170 mark. I want to say less then 10...am I wrong in my guessing?

http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/51_graduate_admissions_test.html


In 2004, 10,370 blacks took the LSAT examination. Only 29 blacks, or 0.3 percent of all LSAT test takers, scored 170 or above. In contrast, more than 1,900 white test takers scored 170 or above on the LSAT. They made up 3.1 percent of all white test takers. Thus whites were more than 10 times as likely as blacks to score 170 or above on the LSAT. There were 66 times as many whites as blacks who scored 170 or above on the test.

Even if we drop the scoring level to 165, a level equal to the mean score of students enrolling at law schools ranked in the top 10 nationwide but not at the very top, we still find very few blacks. There were 108 blacks scoring 165 or better on the LSAT in 2004. They made up 1 percent of all black test takers. For whites, there were 6,689 test takers who scored 165 or above. They made up 10.6 percent of all white students who took the LSAT examination.

The nation's top law schools could fill their classes exclusively with students who scored 165 or above on the LSAT. But if they were to do so, these law schools would have almost no black students.



I also remember reading somewhere that when you lower that number to 160, the number of blacks scoring that high triples to 300+ or something.

And there may be over 450 Black males in total at t-14, but when you are talking about using these LSAT figures, it's probably best just to limit your analysis to the 1L classes. 

The bottom line is a 158 doesn't preclude you from a t-14, but it does when you have a 3.1 GPA.  I think the best school he could possibly get into is WUSTL.  However, you should apply everywhere.  Just be realistic.