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Re: Moderator for BLSD
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2005, 12:55:52 PM »
so....why don't you all ever post on blsd?
We're not accepting this CHANGE UP in the rules. Period. American presidents have been in the bed with organized crime, corporate pilferers, and the like for years. And all u want to put on this man is that his pastor said "Gotdamn America?" Hell, America.U got off pretty damn well, if you ask me...

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Re: Moderator for BLSD
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2005, 06:13:00 PM »
so....why don't you all ever post on blsd?

I don't think HBCU would welcome me, as evidenced by his admission of hating white people.

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« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2005, 06:24:35 PM »
so....why don't you all ever post on blsd?

I don't think HBCU would welcome me, as evidenced by his admission of hating white people.

it's not HBCU's thread..and he doesn't hate white people..he wouldn't antagonise you for simply posting there.. I'm just asking because of the fact that a lot of people seem to be in an uproar about the existance of this thread, yet they don't seem interested in being a part of it.
We're not accepting this CHANGE UP in the rules. Period. American presidents have been in the bed with organized crime, corporate pilferers, and the like for years. And all u want to put on this man is that his pastor said "Gotdamn America?" Hell, America.U got off pretty damn well, if you ask me...

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Re: Moderator for BLSD
« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2005, 06:29:29 PM »
"Oh yeah...and I don't like white people either. But, does this mean that I can't be a mod?"

I guess he's not exactly fond of white people though.  If he became a mod that might discourage others from participating there if they knew that the moderator of the thread had an antagonistic attitude.  Either way, I'm not in opposition to him becoming a moderator.  He started the thread and it undoubtedly a resource for many people, I just wish that he would tone down the remarks.  They don't make him any better than any other person who makes racist statements.

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« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2005, 07:33:56 PM »
I wanted to throw my hat in the mix here mostly because I'm very curious to see where this goes and I want to have it on my reply list.  I also think it's a real shame that someone would say they hate white people because they do racist things.  Logically speaking, it just doesn't make sense.  Personally I'm fascinated by race relations in this country.  It is certainly naive to think that slavery does not still impact us, so I understand where this is coming from.  But it also naive to think that just because someone is white their family must have owned slaves.  I'm white and my family never owned slaves. 
I understand wanting to stay in touch with your heritage but I hope that some day we can learn to remain true to the past while learning from it not to remain racist forever.  We should always keep the past in mind, but you don't have to define the future by it.  You may be missing out on something. 
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Re: Moderator for BLSD
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2005, 07:53:41 PM »
Personally I think that the topic should either be in a new thread (seeing as this thread wasn't originally intended for this purpose). I don't believe that african americans are racist. I believe that some of us have some predjudices based on our history however. There is a difference between the two.

prejudice 1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

racist  a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
We're not accepting this CHANGE UP in the rules. Period. American presidents have been in the bed with organized crime, corporate pilferers, and the like for years. And all u want to put on this man is that his pastor said "Gotdamn America?" Hell, America.U got off pretty damn well, if you ask me...

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« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2005, 09:40:05 PM »
Personally I think that the topic should either be in a new thread (seeing as this thread wasn't originally intended for this purpose). I don't believe that african americans are racist. I believe that some of us have some predjudices based on our history however. There is a difference between the two.

prejudice 1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

racist  a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

LOL-YOU DELETED PART OF THAT DEFINITION OF RACISM TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT. Here is the WHOLE, UNALTERED DEFINITION:

(also, you manipulated the definition: "racist" is not "a belief that..." You meant "racism," as the CORRECT definition shows). www.dictionary.com

rac•ism     ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (rszm)
n.
1.The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. 

Obviously HBCU does this. 'I don't like white people' seems to fit the bill. Disliking an individual because of their race is racism as per the second part of the definition you quoted from. There is NO DIFFERENCE than saying I don't like Person X because he/she is black.

Also, you state “I believe that some of us have some predjudices based on our history however.” Well, prejudice is synonymous with racism, pursuant to part 2 of the definition that you cite. Two implications- first, that you cited only the part helpful to your claim while concealing what is equally relevant, thereby perpetuating intellectual dishonesty. Second, you concede that blacks can be prejudiced, and prejudice is an element of racism, as per your own definition. By your own claim you are capable (and concede to engage in) racism.

Also:

racism

n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]

Two implications. First, prejudice is an element of racism, as stated above. You concede to being prejudiced- you thereby bind yourself to racism, or at least to the very same thinking that supports racism.

Second, part two of the definition also applies. 'I don't like whites' seems like abusive behavior directed at a race. Or, if it's not, then neither is saying 'I don't like blacks.' You cannot have it both ways so you might attempt to feign consistency. Racism is either bad or it’s not, you cannot have it both ways. Racist blacks are in no position of moral superiority over racist whites.

In addition:

big•ot    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Partial to race? I’d say that describes you and HBCU pretty well.

In sum, I advise the following:

1. Do not bastardize definitions and contort things to fit your agenda. This is dishonest and erodes any credibility you might have retained. You should have learned about this in undergrad. It’s called “academic dishonesty.” I’ve never seen a strawman argument pulled out of a definition before.

2. Either condemn racism AND prejudice, or don't. But if you don't, you have no right to ever complain when you're on the losing side of it. Either racism AND prejudice are bad, or they're not. I maintain that they are BOTH bad, even assuming that you had articulated a relevant implication from any distinction between the two (which you did not). Also, EVEN IF your distinction is relevant, the two are still bound up together, as per the definitions I cite above. This means that if you’re prejudiced against/for a race (which you concede) you are also a definitional racist.

3. Hypocrisy makes you look bad, so you might attempt to fix that. Your position is akin to saying, "I hate racism, but only if it's against me." That is a disgusting position and you owe it to yourself to re-examine the reasons causing you to adopt such a view. Hatred is ugly, no matter who spews it.

4. If you want to debate this, please make coherent arguments. I expect you to dismiss this post with something similar to "shut up whitey" or "blacks cannot ever be racist, only whites are." Please surprise me with something more compelling. Also, please attempt to be responsive to my arguments. Or, you can simply forfeit your untenable positions.

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Re: Moderator for BLSD
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2005, 10:01:43 PM »
You crackas are so stupid. I think you need to bring this discussion to BLSD and stop taking up space for votes. What, you guys are too scccarrrred to come to the hood? I'm just fucing around when I call yall names. I'm black and I can get away with it. There is a double standard so you just have to take it up the ass when I talk like that. If you were on blsd you would know that I just say a lot of sh*t to watch stupid white boys like TUNA, and that other punk get upset. Stop being a female dog. Come to blsd. I'm definitely going to call you names. just make sure that you don't call me any names and we will be fine. Hey, i've got white frineds! :-\

I dind't know white people are so sensitive. Yall owned slaves, and you killed all the native americans and you still have feelings? jeeez.

BLSD belongs to me! I created the thread, and I set the #@!*#ing rules. Period.

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« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2005, 10:11:08 PM »
Wow, people can be so lame.  Y'all don't seriously believe HBCU hates white people, do you?  Most folks with a sense of humor could tell that what he's saying is somewhat tongue-in-cheek.  The thing is, white folks tend to get uncomfortable when minorities talk about race, so things that should be taken in a lighthearted manner get blown out of proportion.  A lot of my white friends detest black comedy for this very reason - they think it serves to exacerbate racial divisions.  I would argue that it makes them feel uncomfortable to realize that black folks have opinions about white people - racial comedy reclaims a sense of agency among black people.  Instead of being acted upon (being discriminated against) we are actors (have the capacity to discriminate.)  While discrimination is never good, the White liberal "let's save the black people" mentality is turned on its head by the comedy.

Also, this kind of comedy can open up the dialogue.  Race relations in the US still suck because we don't talk about it anymore.  I'm all for being PC, but the negative fallout of political correctness is that folks are so worried about saying something taboo that things are brushed under the carpet.  HBC is really good at saying inflammatory things but I assumed people would get it!

Yeah! what Mobell said!!  Thanks for articulating that *&^% for me. I see why you got a full reeze to columbia. take that *&^% and @#!* harvard. I guess they watch chris rock and get upset when he talks about white people, huh? LOL they are so f-ing lame. 

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Re: Moderator for BLSD
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2005, 10:14:02 PM »
Actually Starkist.....I didn't delete anything...the definition didn't come from dictionary.com


I haven't conceded to engaging in racism nor have I stated that prejudice or racism are justifiable. I simply said the two words have different meanings. You can't compare any of my postings to any of the negative racist postings on this board. I haven't said anything against anyone of any ethnic background.

The reality is that there are still inequalities between black and whites because of the legacy of slavery and segregation as well as present day racial discrimination. Access to everything from housing, to healthcare to education depends on possession of money. Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans on average have less money than whites. Blacks have lived and died in poverty. 

At the end of the day minorities are in a position where we have to overcome in order to get ahead.

You will NEVER have to worry about being denied a position based on the color of your skin.

You will NEVER have to worry about whether or not you're considered an excellent attorney based on the color of your skin.

You will NEVER have to worry about your classmates treating you as if you didn't belong because they believe (regardless of the fact that there's no truth to it) that you attend the same  prodominently  white institution that they attend because of affirmative action

You have no worries or stumbling blocks to overcome on the basis of being white.

There's no need to gripe over someone wanting to become a moderator over a thread that you don't even post on? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Again, why don't you bring this discussion to BLSD? What are you afraid of ?
We're not accepting this CHANGE UP in the rules. Period. American presidents have been in the bed with organized crime, corporate pilferers, and the like for years. And all u want to put on this man is that his pastor said "Gotdamn America?" Hell, America.U got off pretty damn well, if you ask me...