Quote from: mobell195 on January 17, 2005, 07:50:02 PMBy definition, creation of a critical mass of a minority group is permitted by AA. The policy does not look at the effects of admitting a single Black or Hispanic or Vietnamese person, but rather admitting such a number so that the interests of diversity are served. One of the pedagogical interests of classroom diversity is so that people have exposure to different ethnicities in a meaningful sense - not just one person of an ethnic group. This is the problem with tokenizing. It presumes that one person is able to represent a whole group. AA, however, ensures that there is a large enough group of people for a "representative sample", so to speak. Try again.You're so smart, mobell. But single or "critical mass", the inherent visualization of people as subunits of their respective racial categories instead of as individuals remains the same. Instead of having a sample of individuals, we have a crayon box of samples of "black", "white", "red" and "purple". I'm also done with this thread. But it's been fun. Good night.
By definition, creation of a critical mass of a minority group is permitted by AA. The policy does not look at the effects of admitting a single Black or Hispanic or Vietnamese person, but rather admitting such a number so that the interests of diversity are served. One of the pedagogical interests of classroom diversity is so that people have exposure to different ethnicities in a meaningful sense - not just one person of an ethnic group. This is the problem with tokenizing. It presumes that one person is able to represent a whole group. AA, however, ensures that there is a large enough group of people for a "representative sample", so to speak. Try again.
1) Then what is a "token black"?A "token black" is the one black representative to a board, in an organization, or other places where White folks feel the need for "diversity", but don't want to really interrupt the status quo. In Thomas' case, he is the token Black for the Supreme Court.
leaving so sooon? but you haven't responded to my post yet, i 'm actually curious to hear what your take is on the idea of black community
At some point, segregation in schools would have been abolished right? But when? Who was going to step forward and make the argument? Clarence Thomas? Let's not hold our breath.
PSR is back. Poor thing.
Regarding your bringing up Brown, etc. that's a can of worms. You ask when segregation in schools would have been abolished? A lot of recent scholarship has begun to indicate that Brown was not necessary to bring about desegregation. Paul Craig Roberts and Lawrence Stratton write thatA July 1944 survey of college students found that 68 percent agreed "our postwar policy should be to end discrimination against the Negro in schools, colleges, and universities." Georgia's progressive governor, Ellis G. Arnall, accomplished the repeal of the poll tax in 1945 and thereby knocked down a barrier to black voting. Jackie Robinson broke the color line in baseball in 1947, and black entertainers such as Lena Horne found increased access to Hollywood and Broadway. In response to the Truman civil rights committee's report, ordinary people, such as citizens of Montclair, New Jersey, took community inventories to expose and challenge local segregation. The Red Cross eliminated the racial designation of blood donors in 1950. Oklahoma high school students ignored traditional prejudices and elected a seventeen-year-old black to lead the state's Hi-Y clubs in January 1952.Michael Klarman, Professor of History and Law at U.VA, in How Brown Changed Race Relations: The Backlash Thesis from the Journal of American History, also provides evidence that such trends indicated desegregation was on its way out without Brown. He cites the cases of blacks in the 1940s who won local political offices, often with substantial white support. He refers to polling data showing increasingly favorable Southern attitudes toward integrated transportation facilities and other forms of deseg. Despite the fact that historians, legal scholars, political scientists, sociologists, and informed journalists continue to assume that Brown inspired the civil rights movement, he produces a wealth of evidence to suggest that the seeds of desegregation were sown quite a bit earlier, and that "Brown was not necessary as an impetus to challenge the racial status quo". Whether you agree or not, the article is a fascinating read and in case you're curious:How Brown Changed Race Relations: The Backlash ThesisMichael J. KlarmanThe Journal of American History, Vol. 81, No. 1. (Jun., 1994), pp. 81-118.
I really am not informed enough in the areas of King's ideologies to state where I think he would stand. I would like, however, to quote another great black man, Frederick Douglass:"n regard to the colored people, there is always more that is benevolent, I perceive, than just, manifested towards us. What I ask for the negro is not benevolence, not pity, not sympathy, but simply justice. The American people have always been anxious to know what they shall do with us... . I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! ... And if the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! ... [Y]our interference is doing him positive injury." What the Black Man Wants: An Address Delivered in Boston, Massachusetts, on 26 January 1865, reprinted in 4 The Frederick Douglass Papers 59, 68 (J. Blassingame & J. McKivigan eds. 1991) (emphasis in original).This is the quote that Justice Thomas put forward in his dissenting opinion in the Grutter v Bollinger case. I realize of course that it is not the case that the black man is left alone, free to determine his own fate, and that to think so would be overly idealistic. But I see real strength and power in that short paragraph. If you are interested, you can read Justice Thomas's entire opinion (it's really not that long) at (it's about 2/3 of the way down the page): http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=02-241