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WoeIsMe

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2005, 01:31:05 PM »
thanks for the info on the pto.. i'll keep that in mind if i have to go that route.

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2005, 03:06:46 PM »
First, I want to make it clear that my responses are within the context of the OP who was proposing a decision between Emory/Tulane FT and GW/GMU PT and stated he was not a GA resident.  Emory is essentially equivalent to GW assuming no geographical bias.  Emory has some type of IP program with Georgia Tech (another school I attended) where students can work with startup technology firms at GA Tech.  GA Tech is one of the best engineering schools out there producing some serious scientists.  Many of these scientists participate in an incubation program sponsored by corporations and the university that cranks out some viable startups.  Why go PT unless you really have to or it fits into a strategy (i.e. the USPTO stuff)?

With that said, many people have unique situations and perspectives.  Some are more risk averse resulting in an uneasiness about student loan debt (my sister is one of them).  If you are uncomfortable with debt to the point that it bothers you daily, PT may be the best decision for you.  Also, going the PT route, especially if you can keep your current position (i.e. eileen), the transition to law school is smoother.  Others may have large debt that cannot be extinguished before attending law school so PT makes sense for them.   

I don't consider myself very risk averse.  I am impatient.  Waiting another year is not my style.  I am excited about learning the law and practicing as a lawyer.  The sooner the better for me.

Norm, one does not have to utilize something in order to understand the consequences ... I read employee benefit manuals too ;) Nonetheless, I have not taken advantage of tuition reimbursement primarily because there is not enough time.  My job requires occasional travel and frequent high pressure "get it done yesterday" scenarios.  Plus, I absolutely believe that taking courses and, particularly, pursuing a law degree would be frowned upon by my superiors.  Here we go ... they would question my commitment ;) 

Also, I never said that racking up debt was for the sole purpose of making "some employer think I was a bit more "committed" to the idea of law school".  Although, I would argue that 100k is not very much money considering the benefits of the law degree.

Based on what you said about tuition reimbursemen t, I would guess that you have never tried to utilize the tuition reimbursement at a company.  I took Chinese classes paid for by Boeing.  Boeing also offered to pay for law school on the off chance that I would be willing to stay there when I finished.  They are not stingy with the dollars, and I have never in 6 years of working with lots of folks in school seen anyone be skipped over for promotion or laid off because of the fact they were in school.

It has nothing to do with the cushy house or BMW, it has to do with personal satisfaction and the need to feel that I am being responsible.  It would not be responsible for me to rack up 100k in debt just to possibly make some employer think I was a bit more "committed" to the idea of law school.  It is much more responsible for me to continue furthering my patent law experience while getting the degree I need to move forward.  Now if I was doing a totally unrelated job, I would probably try and move into the legal field, but I don't think it would be necessary to quit and go full time. 

I think a lot of the comments about part time come more from the human need to feel better about one's own decisions.  I think it's great for people to go to full time.  They will get a fully different social experience from law school than I will. 

eileen2004

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2005, 03:22:52 PM »

But Drowles asked what we would do given that choice.  Not what he should do.   ::)

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2005, 03:31:46 PM »
The job I would consider keeping is an environmental engineering position.. So.. it might not be that great of a bridge to a law school job.. But, if I ultimately decide to go into Environmental Law.. it could be a great transition.. Just another piece of the pie to throw out there about me.. But, as another poster has made clear, I asked what YOU would do..
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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2005, 03:56:13 PM »
The job I would consider keeping is an environmental engineering position.. So.. it might not be that great of a bridge to a law school job.. But, if I ultimately decide to go into Environmental Law.. it could be a great transition.. Just another piece of the pie to throw out there about me.. But, as another poster has made clear, I asked what YOU would do..

Then definitely GWU....it has a really good envirnomental program and is very strong in engineering law. I know a number of DC law firms here that hire engineers who are going to law school part-time as "part-time associates" who work in their respective engineering position in their firm. I would check for law firms in the DC area that has an engineering department and apply for a job. I hear you can be an automatic hire after you graduate (probably at 120K-140K/year) and may even pay for your tuition, but it depends on the program. I don't know if that will help your decision any.
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eileen2004

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2005, 04:04:50 PM »

This is probably something you'll need to revisit when you've heard from Emory. 

the REAL desi

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2005, 04:36:02 PM »
All things being equal.. where would YOU go.. and why..
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. DESI, I bet you're going to say Emory.. Am I right?!  Oh, and lets also assume YOU get no money from any of these schools.

Thanks in advance ladies and gents...

depends on where you want to work.  none of them are national schools. 

UGA for the state of Georgia,
Emory for the state of Georgia, Florida, NYC, and DC
dunno anything about the others.

btw, there is not tooo much difference b/n UGA out of state and Emory tuitions.  i was unaware that you could establish residency after 1 year in Georgia (bc I was never able to establish it in FL).

of course I'm going to say Emory.  It's the only semi-national school out of the list.  Plus, I gotta give props to my own school.

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2005, 06:30:32 PM »
I'm not sure I'd say go to Emory if you want to work in DC.  Since I intend to stay in the area, I would go to GW.  I lived in Atlanta for a time and it wasn't for me.

As far as the FT/PT thing, talk to lawyers and employers, not prospective students like us.  I have been asking some of the attorneys that I speak to often and have taken their advice as well.  Most agree that the most important thing is to do well in school, that the FT/PT thing will make no difference.
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the REAL desi

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2005, 06:42:38 PM »
Most agree that the most important thing is to do well in school, that the FT/PT thing will make no difference.

how very true.  at a mixer last semester, I met a guy who did GULC PT and worked at the patent office.  he worked in Atlanta biglaw before going in house.  he obviously did very well.

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Re: UGA, GW pt, GMU pt, Emory, Tulane
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2005, 06:51:04 PM »
law firms with an engineering department?!!  Like where?
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