I thought he was 174 for a long time, but found proof otherwise. I still flamed the board by setting up some implications that 174 was a Ford, which coincided nicely with the fact that one Ford heir, William Ingel, III, was a student at Minnesota, a compsci graduate program, but Downy was a sick internet user that claimed to go to MinnLaw, so it all worked out rather nicely. Amused me for a few days back in October.