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So, are you joining mensa?

Yes
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No
 66 (54.5%)
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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2006, 04:11:32 PM »
Dupree is in MENSA.

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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2006, 05:56:54 PM »
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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2006, 10:55:17 PM »
I had my Mensa membership on my resume for a few years. I really think it helped me get some great professional jobs. It definitely gets employers' attention. I don't think it is regarded as negatively as many here think...it's more a thing of curiosity. Once you get to the interview, then they decide whether you're a self-important ass.

I let my membership lapse a couple of years ago. Once I attend a prestigious law school, I don't think I will need to mention Mensa again to get that attention. It kind of goes without saying that you're really smart if you attend a Michigan, UChicago, etc. But the Mensa membership did serve me well.

BTW, I went to a few Mensa meetings in Fort Worth and Oklahoma City...and I've seen the membership websites of many other regional groups. It's my impression that most of the active members are 50+, conservative, and surprisingly undistinguished (no advanced education, blue collar). I felt like some kind of hot-shot kid driving up in my new car and walking in with my shiny shoes. It was hard to find common topics about which to converse.   
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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2006, 11:06:05 PM »
I think that joining/telling people you are in MENSA is the quickest way to help them realize that you think you have limited social skills and are trying to over compensate for some deep-seated intellectual inferiority complex.

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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2006, 12:55:21 AM »
I had my Mensa membership on my resume for a few years. I really think it helped me get some great professional jobs. It definitely gets employers' attention. I don't think it is regarded as negatively as many here think...it's more a thing of curiosity. Once you get to the interview, then they decide whether you're a self-important ass.

I let my membership lapse a couple of years ago. Once I attend a prestigious law school, I don't think I will need to mention Mensa again to get that attention. It kind of goes without saying that you're really smart if you attend a Michigan, UChicago, etc. But the Mensa membership did serve me well.

BTW, I went to a few Mensa meetings in Fort Worth and Oklahoma City...and I've seen the membership websites of many other regional groups. It's my impression that most of the active members are 50+, conservative, and surprisingly undistinguished (no advanced education, blue collar). I felt like some kind of hot-shot kid driving up in my new car and walking in with my shiny shoes. It was hard to find common topics about which to converse.   


Well see peeps, that's all I'm saying.  I don't want it so I can feel self-important.  But it looks great on paper!

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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2006, 01:04:02 AM »
I don't think that it does look great on paper--or if it does--only to employers who don't generally have educated/intelligent employees. I can't imagine how quickly your resume would get passed around the office as a joke if you submitted it with MENSA on it to a managment consulting firm or similar type employer.

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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2006, 01:07:43 AM »
I don't think that it does look great on paper--or if it does--only to employers who don't generally have educated/intelligent employees. I can't imagine how quickly your resume would get passed around the office as a joke if you submitted it with MENSA on it to a managment consulting firm or similar type employer.

Are you serious here?  Why wouldn't there be a benefit.  I seriously don't understand why all the hostility.  I mean do you have any solid basis for your criticism or is it all personal opinion?

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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2006, 01:14:20 AM »
I don't think that it does look great on paper--or if it does--only to employers who don't generally have educated/intelligent employees. I can't imagine how quickly your resume would get passed around the office as a joke if you submitted it with MENSA on it to a managment consulting firm or similar type employer.

Are you serious here?  Why wouldn't there be a benefit.  I seriously don't understand why all the hostility.  I mean do you have any solid basis for your criticism or is it all personal opinion?

At my job (or should I say previous job since last Friday was my last day...) we did an icebreaker at a meeting that essentially involved going around the room and saying something about ourselves that no one else would know.  One of the guys used his Mensa membership  - and he instantly became the total laughing stock of the office.  I work for a huge company (Fortune 50) and this was just a group of about 60 of us - but we all made fun of him for the two day meeting.  I think he was pretty embarassed, but took it in stride.

Moral of the story - many people think Mensa is a pretty big joke. 
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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2006, 01:21:35 AM »
Some famous members of Mensa...as you can see they're a mixed bag...now compared with famous members of Phi Beta Kappa...you can see a difference in quality and quantity...bottom line..Mensa has layman prestige...but in academic and corporate situations you won't do yourself any favors by highlighting your membership...
        Mensa

    * Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert [18]
    * Dr.Isaac Asimov, author and biochemist [19]
    * Jean Auel, writer [20]
    * Derek Barbosa A.K.A Chino XL, rapper [21]
    * Theodore Bikel, actor [22]
    * Terance Black, screenwriter [23]
    * David Blackman, honorary professor
    * Richard Bolles, author [24]
    * Asia Carrera, (former) porn actress [25]
    * Adrian Cronauer, radio personality [26]
    * Bobby Czyz, world boxing champion [27]
    * Geena Davis, actress [28]
    * Christopher Elipas, Founder- Scuzz International [29]
    * Buckminster Fuller, inventor [30]
    * Glenne Headly, actress [31]
    * Maurice Kanbar, inventor [32]
    * Peter Karmanos Jr, owner of the Carolina Hurricanes hockey team [33]
    * Alexis Kasperavičius, Producer and author
    * Anthony Kiedis, vocalist
    * Richard Lederer, author [34]
    * Scott Levy AKA "Raven", professional wrestler [35]
    * Steve Martin, actor [36]
    * Henry Milligan, World Boxing Champion [37]
    * Ellen Morphonios AKA 'Maximum Morphonios', former model, current judge and radio personality [38]
    * Ellen Muth, actress [39]
    * Barry Nolan, TV personality [40]
    * Joyce Carol Oates, author [41]
    * Karen A. Page, author [42]
    * Paul Parducci, actor
    * Donald Petersen, Chairman of Ford Motor Company [43]
    * Dr. Julie Peterson, former Playboy Playmate, current doctor [44]
    * Tarek Saab, The Apprentice contestant
    * Norman Schwarzkopf, Army general [45]
    * Marilyn vos Savant, author [46]
    * Jean Smart, actress
    * Alan Rachins, actor [47]
    * Dr. Abbie Salny, Psychologist [48]
    * Deborah Yates, Radio City Rockettes [49]
Phi Beta Kappa

    * Bushrod Washington William & Mary, 1778
    * John Heath William & Mary, 1779
    * John Marshall William & Mary, 1780
    * James Kent Yale, 1781
    * John Quincy Adams Harvard, 1787
    * Eli Whitney Yale, 1792
    * Joseph Story Harvard, 1798
    * Daniel Webster Dartmouth, 1801
    * John Calhoun Yale, 1804
    * Samuel Morse Yale, 1810
    * William H. Seward Union, 1819
    * Rufus Choate Dartmouth, 1819
    * Nathaniel Hawthorne Bowdoin, 1824
    * Henry Wadsworth Longfellow Bowdoin, 1825
    * Chester Arthur Union, 1848
    * Joshua Chamberlain Bowdoin, 1852
    * Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. Harvard, 1861
    * Robert E. Peary Bowdoin, 1877
    * William Howard Taft Yale, 1878
    * John Dewey Vermont, 1879
    * Theodore Roosevelt Harvard, 1880
    * Charles Evans Hughes Brown, 1881
    * George Santayana Harvard, 1886
    * Henry Stimson Yale, 1888
    * Bernard Baruch CUNY, 1889
    * W.E.B. DuBois Fisk, 1890
    * Bainbridge Colby Williams, 1890
    * Learned Hand Harvard, 1893
    * Alexander Meiklejohn Brown, 1893
    * Harlan Fiske Stone Amherst, 1894
    * Owen Roberts Pennsylvania, 1895
    * John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Brown, 1897
    * Felix Frankfurter CUNY, 1902
    * Elihu Root Hamilton, 1903
    * John Foster Dulles Princeton, 1908
    * Owen Brewster Bowdoin, 1909
    * Harold Hitz Burton Bowdoin, 1909
    * Walter Lippmann Harvard, 1909
    * Paul Douglas Bowdoin, 1913
    * Pearl Buck Randoph-Macon Woman's College, 1914
    * James Conant Harvard, 1914
    * Dean Acheson Yale, 1915
    * Archibald MacLeish Yale, 1915
    * Charles Hamilton Houston Amherst, 1915
    * Alfred Kinsey Bowdoin, 1916
    * Irwin Edman -- Columbia, 1917
    * Paul Robeson Rutgers, 1919
    * William O. Douglas Whitman, 1920
    * Eugene V. Rostow Yale, 1923
    * Herbert Brownell, Jr. Nebraska, 1924
    * Countee Cullen New York U., 1925
    * Alger Hiss Johns Hopkins, 1926
    * George Hitchings Washington, 1927
    * John Stennis Virginia, 1928
    * Harry Blackmun Harvard, 1929
    * James Michener Swarthmore, 1929
    * Lewis Powell Washington & Lee, 1929
    * Nelson Rockefeller Dartmouth, 1930
    * Jonas Salk CCNY, 1930
    * Carl Albert Oklahoma, 1931
    * Dean Rusk Davidson, 1931
    * Daniel Boorstin Harvard, 1934
    * Richard Helms Williams, 1935
    * Ed Muskie Bates, 1936
    * Robert McNamara Berkeley, 1937
    * Potter Stewart Yale, 1937
    * Byron White Colorado, 1937
    * Caspar Weinberger Harvard, 1938
    * Orville Freeman Minnesota, 1940
    * Ella Grasso Mt. Holyoke, 1940
    * John Paul Stevens Chicago, 1941
    * Betty Friedan Smith, 1942
    * Phyllis Schlafly Washington U., 1943
    * Frank Church Stanford, 1947
    * Robert Bork Chicago, 1948
    * George H.W. Bush Yale, 1948
    * Tom Lehrer Harvard, 1948
    * William Rehnquist Stanford, 1948
    * Brock Adams Washington, 1949
    * Edward O. Wilson Alabama, 1949
    * Henry Kissinger Harvard, 1950
    * Pat Robertson Washington & Lee, 1950
    * Susan Sontag Chicago, 1951
    * Arlen Specter Pennsylvania, 1951
    * Arthur Levitt Williams, 1952
    * Stephen Sondheim Williams, 1952
    * John Shelby Spong North Carolina, 1952
    * Thomas Pickering Bowdoin, 1953
    * Ruth Bader Ginsburg Cornell, 1954
    * male private part Lugar Denison, 1954
    * Victor Navasky Swarthmore, 1954
    * John Updike Harvard, 1954
    * Ralph Nader Princeton, 1955
    * Gloria Steinem Smith, 1956
    * Elizabeth Dole Duke, 1958
    * Anthony Kennedy Stanford, 1958
    * Kris Kristofferson Pomona, 1958
    * Stephen Breyer Stanford, 1959
    * Francis Ford Coppola Hofstra, 1959
    * Bob Graham Florida, 1959
    * Robert Nozick Columbia, 1959
    * Richard Posner Yale, 1959
    * Robert Rubin Harvard, 1960
    * Anthony M. Benis Princeton, 1960
    * Fay Vincent Williams, 1960
    * Pat Schroeder Minnesota, 1961
    * David Souter Harvard, 1961
    * Lamar Alexander Vanderbilt, 1962
    * Tom Brokaw South Dakota, 1962
    * Lynne Cheney Colorado C., 1962
    * Richard Epstein Columbia, 1963
    * David Satcher Morehouse, 1963
    * James Woolsey Stanford, 1963
    * David Boies Redlands, 1964
    * Michael Crichton Harvard, 1964
    * Joseph Lieberman Yale, 1964
    * Angela Davis Brandeis, 1965
    * Paul Wellstone North Carolina, 1965
    * William Weld Harvard, 1966
    * William Jefferson Clinton Georgetown, 1968
    * Henry Paulson- Dartmouth, 1968
    * Laurie Anderson Barnard 1969
    * Hillary Clinton Wellesley, 1969
    * Jon Corzine Illinois, 1969
    * Frank Easterbrook Swarthmore, 1970
    * Louis Freeh Rutgers, 1971
    * Nadine Strossen Radcliffe, 1972
    * Samuel Alito Princeton, 1972
    * Benazir Bhutto Radcliffe, 1973
    * Jeb Bush Texas, 1973
    * E.J. Dionne Harvard, 1973
    * Glenn Close William & Mary, 1974
    * Christie Hefner - Brandeis, 1974
    * Condoleezza Rice Denver, 1974
    * Ben Bernanke Harvard, 1975
    * Susan Collins St. Lawrence, 1975
    * Gale Norton Denver, 1975
    * Robert Zoellick Swarthmore, 1975
    * Lawrence Lindsey Bowdoin, 1976
    * John Roberts Harvard, 1976
    * Karen Hughes Southern Methodist, 1978
    * David Addington- Georgetown, 1978
    * Jennifer Granholm Berkeley, 1980
    * Nicholas Kristof Harvard, 1981
    * Eliot Spitzer Princeton, 1981
    * George Stephanopoulos Columbia, 1982
    * Patrick Fitzgerald- Amherst, 1982
    * Miguel Estrada Columbia, 1983
    * Dinesh D'Souza Dartmouth, 1983
    * Daniel Pearl Stanford, 1985
    * Jeff Bezos Princeton, 1986
    * Paul Clement Georgetown, 1988
    * Ashley Judd Kentucky, 1990
    * Joshua Redman - Harvard, 1991
    * Anne Dias-Griffin- Georgetown, 1993
    * Stephanie Herseth - Georgetown, 1993
    * Jori Chisholm Puget Sound, 1997
    * Peyton Manning Tennessee, 1997
    * Gregory R. Smith Randolph-Macon College, 2003
    * Rivers Cuomo - Harvard, 2006
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Re: So, are you joining mensa?
« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2006, 01:40:49 AM »
I don't think that it does look great on paper--or if it does--only to employers who don't generally have educated/intelligent employees. I can't imagine how quickly your resume would get passed around the office as a joke if you submitted it with MENSA on it to a managment consulting firm or similar type employer.

Are you serious here?  Why wouldn't there be a benefit.  I seriously don't understand why all the hostility.  I mean do you have any solid basis for your criticism or is it all personal opinion?

At my job (or should I say previous job since last Friday was my last day...) we did an icebreaker at a meeting that essentially involved going around the room and saying something about ourselves that no one else would know.  One of the guys used his Mensa membership  - and he instantly became the total laughing stock of the office.  I work for a huge company (Fortune 50) and this was just a group of about 60 of us - but we all made fun of him for the two day meeting.  I think he was pretty embarassed, but took it in stride.

Moral of the story - many people think Mensa is a pretty big joke. 

Yeah, it would be the equivalent of putting a good LSAT score on your resume. Even though it represents something good in theory, in practice it represents a profound misunderstanding of corporate culture.  At my current law firm, and my previous fortune 500 employer, it would be shooting yourself in the foot. You would never get an interview.  We've been known to route particularly hillarious resumes that cite qualifications that are not qualifications (such as Mensa) so that everyone can get a good chuckle--like the guy who wrote a Deuce Bigalow, Male Giggalo review in an alternative paper, or the guy who included his height and weight for a paralegal job.

Phi Beta Kappa is totally different. It's actually an academic honor that means something, and therefore carries real prestige.