Law School Discussion

Southwestern Law School

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2004, 12:34:40 PM »
AWESOME!!

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2004, 01:47:27 PM »
I say go with a traditional 3 year program. It is really important that you work during the summers. It gives you an opportunity to network, see what you like and don't like, and get job offers. Your wife can wait one more year to have a baby. =) I'm also getting married, but luckily my fiance and I don't want to get pregnant until we are 30 (that's 8 years from now). And, here's an idea. Perhaps your wife can get pregnant during your last year.  The baby wouldn't come until after graduation. This might help both of you get what you want/need. 3 year program for you and baby early on for her.

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2004, 02:33:14 PM »
Thanks for all the info.  I'm taking a look at the other schools in the Los Angeles area.  One thing I forgot to mention was that my fiance will be 34 this July.  So, the clock is ticking.  Although I don't know if I'm considered a non traditional student (I'm 26), I have worked in minor league baseball, and the NBA in management postions since graduating from college.  I plan to stay in the fields of entertainment and sports law, and since I already have quite a few contacts, the 2 year program looked good because I can get through it, and get back into doing what I love.  I would assume most students out of college go through a 3 year program in hopes of making contacts, and getting in with a law firm.  I'm fortuante enough to have done business with quite a few attorneys, and will probably start working with one law firm right out of law school.

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2004, 06:24:15 PM »
Has anyone received any news from Southwestern in the last couple of days?  I spoke to someone in admissions and they said that a decision had been made earlier in the week.  Supposedly they mailed my decision last Thursday, but I have yet to receive it.  Thanks!

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2004, 06:29:20 PM »
I called admissions last week and they told me that my application is still in the review process and should take another 3 weeks.  I don't know if this is good or bad considering that I turned in my application in December.  :-\

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2004, 06:35:47 PM »
I called admissions last week and they told me that my application is still in the review process and should take another 3 weeks.  I don't know if this is good or bad considering that I turned in my application in December.  :-\
lol...i don't know why I'm laughing, but I think it must be a "damn, I'm getting a ding" nervous laughter.  I was complete in Feb so the fact that they said you wouldn't here from them for another 3 weeks sounds like you're in pretty good shape.  I wish ya luck!!!  For me, it's razor blades and running piping hot water in the bathtub. ;)   Good luck!

stung

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2004, 02:29:00 PM »
Well, SCALE won't allow you to specialze.  So it's better if you already have WE.  Since SCALE attempts to shorten the time required to obtain an J.D., you will be learning more in a shorter period of time.  This makes SCALE a HARDER (yea, I know) program than the traditional 3 year program.  By the way, don't expect to get a break or vacation...

Got this from one of their deans who graduated from the program himself.

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2004, 06:39:19 PM »
I talked to Southwestern about SCALE too -- the SCALE Program does embed two externships into the 2-years so you are guaranteed to get some experience - I just can't imagine though how one can study everything needed AND get externships completed in just 23 months! I wonder what the Bar Passage rate of SCALE students is.

stung

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2004, 06:54:19 PM »
You can take two electives if you do SCALE.  But people don't usually choose to take them because you are doing something "on top" of the already extremely demanding load.  In terms of externship, you will be working full-time for two month (at least 40 hours a week) at the end of the program so it should give you some good experience.  But again, SCALE is really for those who don't want to or don't need to (because of WE) specialize.

SCALE's bar passage rate is more than 80% this year.  Yea that sounds really good.  But don't forget that it's a very small program.  A small sample size tends to skew things A LOT.  At least that's what the dean told me.

Re: Southwestern Law School
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2004, 05:46:51 PM »
I know all about Southwestern.  They had a KILLER attrition rate up until 2002, when they shrunk the first year full time class from 300 to 220 because they are getting more qualified applicants as a result of the recent Dot.Bomb/bad economy and consequent law school flooding.  In the 70's, SW graduated too many students due to lax standards, and their bar passage was horrible.  Students sued the school.  In the late 80's - 2002, SW reversed the policy.  Accept way more students than there is room for moving to 2nd year (shortage of faculty, facility, etc), then have everyone claw, rip, and step their way to pass 1st year.  They abide by the ABA 2.0 minimum rule, but what they don't tell you is that the bottom third (20% due to forced curve,10% due to other reasons), will not make it to the next year.  If these folks have loans, they still have to pay them.  Tough cookies.  SW currently has students suing them for poor attrition.  Now, the academic attrition is down to 13%, but keep in mind the class size shrunk too.

As for SCALE, only do this if you are confident that you can juggle school and family.  I knew someone who was in the progarm, and the class size went from 35 to 18 by the end of the first year.  You see, at SW, profs. are mandated to give C-'s, D's, and F's.  There has to be. Even if at another school the quality of work would equal a C.  The grade gets pushed down.  This guy was always studying, had virtually no break, and was on the verge of flunking out.  He was smart, albeit.  And he had no family responsibilities. I have not talked to him since.  Try squeezing 3 years (tough as it is) into 2 years.  There is not much time to digest anything. 

Good pts- several talented profs., handful of cool students, and big, clean library; new, but stuffy gym in basement of library.

Bad pts- crappy location (homeless people, thefts, dirty, puny campus (2 buildings).  Students who steal notes/laptops before finals, profs. who won't grade exams, ever.  And lots of stress, much more than schools that have no forced attrition (any tier 1 or 2 school, and some tier 3's).  Competition is FIERCE- loss of hair, appetite, social life.  Administration only cares about $$, financial aid looks at you like you did something wrong, and SW only cares about raising rankings.  Higher bar passg recent years, but it's because only good test takers are left.  Lots of kiss ass students and TONS of gossip (although some is to be expected).

If you are ready to work like never before in your life.  As for jobs, that depends on you.