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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2004, 10:27:17 AM »
What if you don't say you're gay but you say you're interested in things like 'Gay & Lesbian Club' or whatever?

Do they infer things from those 'interests' or what?

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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2004, 10:39:29 AM »
Ok, so if any of you think being gay will help more than an iota, if at all, you are sorely mistaken.  Law school is packed with gays and lesbians.  No top law school is desperately seeking gay men to fill the remaining seats.  No one at Harvard thinks, "It's only a 162 on the LSAT, but he's GAY!  Let's make him weare Crimson!"

Being gay won't help.  It might piss someone off if they see how you've tried to mislead them.  It might further their impression of you as idiot, thinking that it would help to call yourself gay.  You're not dodging the draft here, you are applying to law school.  Every little thing may count, but if you're counting on sexuality as being an in, you might as well start packing for Cooley.

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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2004, 10:43:39 AM »
How can you rule out the possibility that harvard has so many gays because they adjust people's index scores based on various criteria in an effort to increase diversity?

I don't see any logical basis for concluding that it absolutely cannot help you.

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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2004, 11:03:47 AM »
My factual (call it logical, if you like) information is based discussion with adcomms, other applicants, schools exlpicit policies . . .

Homosexuals are not an underrepresented minority in law school.  The highest estimate of percentage of gay people is 10% of the population.  Most law school GLBT websites (if they have one) will note that law school has a student population higher than this.

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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2004, 11:22:37 AM »
Well I see several problems with your reasoning, both internally (within the reasoning that has resulted in your own belief) as well as externally (within the reasoning you're using to try to convince people to adopt your belief).

First, the percentage of the population that is gay/lesbian/bi changes based upon who is reporting the figures, as well as who is doing the research.  The "New York's Gay City News" argues that it's closer to 20%, while conservatives tend to place the percentage lower.

Also, you make the assumption that law schools only give preference to "minorities" that are underrepresented in their schools or other schools.  This is irrational.  It's clear that Boalt gives preference to women, even though there are plenty of women in law schools in general, especially in theirs.

Furthermore, law schools often over-represent minorities that they give preference to (blacks, hispanics, sometimes women), with respect to their frequency in the national population as a whole (i.e. schools with well over 20% black, etc, while the % of them in the population as a whole is far lower).  So the argument that there is a higher percentage of gays in LS than in the population (that they're overrepresented) as a whole is immaterial, even if it was established that they were overrepresented, which it of course wasn't, given the controvercial nature of the figure you've cited.

Also, when you're having an argument with someone, especially when you go so far as to insinuate that they're stupid, you can't rely quite so heavily on hearsay from essentially anonymous sources.  What are these adcomms' names and where do they work?  How can we contact them to verify this information?  And how to we ensure that they aren't just giving us the standard PC boilerplate response?  Or are we just supposed to take your word for it?

Also, you make the assumption that schools only give preference to people with certain characteristics if they specifically advertise it.  There is no logical basis for concluding this, either.  This is especially the case because it would in no way be in their best interests to advertise the fact that they make it (even slightly) easier for gays to get into their law school, if it is in fact the case that they do make it easier for them, which you have yet to rule out.. rationally, at least.



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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2004, 12:06:05 PM »
to answer your original question: no, i don't think they infer *&^% from that.  if i am not mistaken, there might be a box or something on the lsac biographical data sheet concerning sexual preference.  if you are gay, and want adcomms to know about it, i would go that route.  as per helping you out in the admissions process, i have no idea. 

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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2004, 01:12:48 PM »
I guess homosexuality/lesbianism is the one minority status that you could fake without took much difficulty. Back in college, it seemed like everyone and everyone's mother was gay for at least a short while.

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Re: What if you say your gay (but aren't)?
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2004, 01:28:20 PM »
Heheheh, did you see that drew carey episode?