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gidro

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Chances at Top Schools - Tell Me Your Opinions
« on: November 12, 2004, 02:11:35 PM »
Decent numbers - 3.65 GPA, 160 LSAT (with convincing addendum)
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Do you think my numbers are still too low to apply at the top schools?

Particularly:

Yale
Stanford
Berkeley
Duke
BU

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Re: Chances at Top Schools - Tell Me Your Opinions
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2004, 02:19:07 PM »
Yes your numbers are still way too low for almost all of these schools, unless you're a URM.  You need to retake the lsat for a realistic chance.  Here's my predictions:

Yale - Ding
Stanford - Ding
Berkeley - Ding
Duke - Ding
BU - maybe

You need to realize Yale/Stanford in particular get so many spectacular applicants that with your numbers you'd need to be a winner of the nobel peace prize, or possibly cured cancer or something along those lines.  If you have the money to spend go for it but I think you're going to be sorely disappointed.
You can see my numbers at LSN

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2004, 02:23:05 PM »
I think Stanford and Yale are too far of a reach.  For instance, your Stanford index is 3.097, whereas the lowest admittees on LSN had a 3.272 and 3.32.  Both were from HYP, and one was half-Hispanic.  I am not quite as well acquainted with the other schools' decisions.

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Re: Chances at Top Schools - Tell Me Your Opinions
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2004, 02:27:04 PM »
How do you guys calculate these indices?

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004, 02:53:59 PM »
How do you guys calculate these indices?

Stanford's index is LSAT * .023 + GPA * .315 - 1.733

A number of schools ask LSAC to use a specific formula (like Stanford).  Those can be found online in your LSAC documents.  The title says something about "Admissions Index."

For Yale and Harvard, I just multiplied GPA by 20 and added LSAT.  This method seems relatively accurate.  My method for NYU was LSAT * .083 + GPA - 14.94

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Re: Chances at Top Schools - Tell Me Your Opinions
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004, 03:52:44 PM »
Thanks for the predictions.  Keep 'em coming...

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 05:04:34 PM »
Thanks for the predictions.  Keep 'em coming...

Retake the LSAT. Chances at Yale and Stanford are basically zero. Duke is also unlikely.

Your unique experiences would have (likely) outweighed the 160 LSAT at Berkeley, which is a GPA school...but your GPA misses the mark slightly. Again, retake the LSAT.

BU you have a shot, given your unique experiences. However, a 164 ave. would really help.

For Yale/Stanford may be out. Even a 180 will only average out to a 170 with the current 160, which makes you competitive but still not likely. Retake the LSAT and shoot for BU, Duke and Berkeley.

DOWNY

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Re: Chances at Top Schools - Tell Me Your Opinions
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004, 05:08:06 PM »
ding at the first three.  WL at Duke, WL at BC

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2004, 05:13:41 PM »
How do you guys calculate these indices?

Stanford's index is LSAT * .023 + GPA * .315 - 1.733

A number of schools ask LSAC to use a specific formula (like Stanford).  Those can be found online in your LSAC documents.  The title says something about "Admissions Index."

For Yale and Harvard, I just multiplied GPA by 20 and added LSAT.  This method seems relatively accurate.  My method for NYU was LSAT * .083 + GPA - 14.94

Thanks for that info.  But one more question: once you get those numbers, how do you know if you have a chance or not?  As in, what are their typical index cutoff?

Thanks again...this is a great resource.

gidro

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Re: Chances at Top Schools - Tell Me Your Opinions
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2004, 10:25:34 PM »
Did I mention I can play the kazoo?