third tier toilet Ranking

[thefaceman]

What about the people's college of law? I guess its non-ABA, but I mean geez, just look at the website.

www.peoplescollegeoflaw.edu

http://peoplescollegeoflaw.edu/photos/pages/2004_0331_185511AA_JPG.htm]

I called their phone number and got the guy on the phone in this picture.  He sounded drunk.

[LaneSwerver]

What about the people's college of law? I guess its non-ABA, but I mean geez, just look at the website.

www.peoplescollegeoflaw.edu

http://peoplescollegeoflaw.edu/photos/pages/2004_0331_185511AA_JPG.htm]

I called their phone number and got the guy on the phone in this picture.  He sounded drunk.

Probably on the People's Vodka. Why the hell did you call them?

[thefaceman]

What about the people's college of law? I guess its non-ABA, but I mean geez, just look at the website.

www.peoplescollegeoflaw.edu

http://peoplescollegeoflaw.edu/photos/pages/2004_0331_185511AA_JPG.htm]

I called their phone number and got the guy on the phone in this picture.  He sounded drunk.

Probably on the People's Vodka. Why the hell did you call them?

I heard they offer a shopping cart to entering 1L's, could be a deciding factor for me.  All I heard on the other end was heavy breathing.

[LaneSwerver]

What about the people's college of law? I guess its non-ABA, but I mean geez, just look at the website.

www.peoplescollegeoflaw.edu

http://peoplescollegeoflaw.edu/photos/pages/2004_0331_185511AA_JPG.htm]

I called their phone number and got the guy on the phone in this picture.  He sounded drunk.

Probably on the People's Vodka. Why the hell did you call them?

I heard they offer a shopping cart to entering 1L's, could be a deciding factor for me.  All I heard on the other end was heavy breathing.

Oh, you didn't dial the main number. That's the Phone Sex Law Clinic you got.

[PSUDSL08]

I love law school, but what I hate seeing is all the pretentious bastards that attend. Law School is something special that only a portion of the population will get the opportunity to revel in. I am currently in my second year at UT, had the option to attend a higher ranked school, but b/c I live in TX you can't beat the in state tuition. For those who continue to trash talk third tier toilets remember that they, like you, are human beings aspiring to be all that they can be. Just because they are not quite as academically inclined as you, doesn't make you a better person. Some people are quicker than others. It's a fact. But to constantly create threads that exploit this vulnerability is stupid. Unless you are at Yale, remember, there are people faster than you and I would hope they have the same modest respect that you should show to those at a lower ranked school. I am tired of hearing at my own school about how its the best school in Texas. I love that it is and I am honored for the privilege to attend, but it doesn't make me a better person. What makes you a better person is a mutual respect for your law school comrades, whether they are in your particular jurisdiction or not. Sorry for the long post, but the sadistic attacks are tiresome and unnecessary.

Take care and good luck to all,

Ryan

Eh, I like the sentiment, but I think you're kind of missing the point that many 3rd tier attendees are trying to make on this board; going to a 3rd tier school does not necessarily have ANY bearing on how mentally swift one is or how academically inclined they are.  There are a ton of factors that play into where one goes to school and what they do with their life in general.  You helped make this point when you brought up why you attended a lower-ranked school and then refuted it in your next couple of sentences.  I understand where you're coming from though, and I definitely agree that attacks by uber-elitists on third and fourth tier attendees is quite idiotic.  If you wouldn't say it to someones face, don't say it on a message board.

Agree with both of you...The people who designate T3/T4 schools as the "toilet tier" obviously lack the maturity and self-esteem to appreciate their own accomplishments without trampling on the achievements of others. I would estimate that most of these people are college seniors who have no real work experience (i.e. full-time high pressure jobs), and don't understand that the name of your school doesnt mean everything. Whether you're going to a law school ranked 1st or 118th, you should be proud of the fact that you're going to do something that most people don't have the motivation or ability to do. Confidence is a great attribute, but arrogance is a cancer. I bet the self-esteem of these individuals would plummet even further if coming out of law school, their first boss happens to be a "toilet tier" grad.
Also, just because you're going to a T14 or a top 50 school, doesn't necessarily mean that you're more intelligent or capable than certain individuals at a T3/T4 school. My father is a homicide prosecutor and a grad from a T3 school. He's just been promoted to a supervisor position over other attorneys who graduated from T1 schools. He also works with judges who are graduates from Ohio Northern. In fact, in his department is a Columbia grad who I've been told is a "terrible trial lawyer". He's defined as extremely "booksmart" but lacks the intangibles that it takes to be a successful trial attorney.
Doing well/poorly in undergrad, scoring high/low on the LSAT, and attending a top law school/T4 doesn't mean anything until you get out in the real world and show what you're made of. Those of us going to lower ranked schools may just have to work a little harder to prove ourselves...but hey, isn't that what it's all about?

[NJHandyGirl]

Agree with both of you...The people who designate T3/T4 schools as the "toilet tier" obviously lack the maturity and self-esteem to appreciate their own accomplishments without trampling on the achievements of others. I would estimate that most of these people are college seniors who have no real work experience (i.e. full-time high pressure jobs), and don't understand that the name of your school doesnt mean everything. Whether you're going to a law school ranked 1st or 118th, you should be proud of the fact that you're going to do something that most people don't have the motivation or ability to do. Confidence is a great attribute, but arrogance is a cancer. I bet the self-esteem of these individuals would plummet even further if coming out of law school, their first boss happens to be a "toilet tier" grad.
Also, just because you're going to a T14 or a top 50 school, doesn't necessarily mean that you're more intelligent or capable than certain individuals at a T3/T4 school. My father is a homicide prosecutor and a grad from a T3 school. He's just been promoted to a supervisor position over other attorneys who graduated from T1 schools. He also works with judges who are graduates from Ohio Northern. In fact, in his department is a Columbia grad who I've been told is a "terrible trial lawyer". He's defined as extremely "booksmart" but lacks the intangibles that it takes to be a successful trial attorney.
Doing well/poorly in undergrad, scoring high/low on the LSAT, and attending a top law school/T4 doesn't mean anything until you get out in the real world and show what you're made of. Those of us going to lower ranked schools may just have to work a little harder to prove ourselves...but hey, isn't that what it's all about?

Amen! Well said.

[Eyes of the World]

Ooh. . .apparently my badass LSAT score isn't enough to get me a fee waiver at Thomas Jefferson School of Law (now THAT'S depressing), but I just got something in the mail from them today, enticing me by saying that anyone who is accepted who got a 150 or higher on the LSAT will at the very least get a half tuition scholarship (up to full tuition) for 3 full years.  That's tempting to get law school paid for except for the fact that you'll probably have to pay for it for the next 50 years of your life when no one in their right mind will hire you. 

Matoka
(or anyone else that received the Thomas Jefferson correspondence this week):
Would you mind looking at it again and confirm what they said about the LSAT scholarship?  Their website has a chart with LSAT scores which correspond to different levels of scholarships, and your post sounds significantly better.  Does your info have GPA stipulations?  Nothing like aspiring for a 4 tier!

LSAT Scholarships
 
 
 
All students entering law school for the first time are eligible for LSAT Scholarships. Your award letter will provide information regarding distribution of scholarship monies.
LSAT Scholarship awards are automatic based upon the average LSAT score. Awards for the 2004-2005 academic year are expected to be as follows:

LSAT Awards 2004-2005 
Score Full-Time Part-Time
160 or higher $24,000 to full tuition $15,000 to full tuition
156-159 $10,000 to $18,000 $6,200 to $11,350
153-155 $3,000 to $6,000 $1,850 to $3,700
150-152 $1,000 to $2,000 $675 to $1,300
 





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OTHER SCHOLARSHIPS


Centers Fellowships
Students in approximately the top 15 percent of the entering class at the end of the first semester are awarded a fellowship applicable to the next year's tuition by one of the three Centers of Academic Excellence. Fellowships are renewed annually as long as the recipient maintains a B- average.

Trustees Scholarships
Trustees Scholarships are awarded at the end of the first year to students in approximately the top 30 percent of their entering class. Scholarships apply to tuition for the next year, and are renewable annually provided the student maintains a B- average.

Check with Dean Keller for exact scholarship amounts and details regarding both Trustee Scholarships and Centers Fellowships.

Internet Sources
The web is a great resource for funding sources. Wired Scholar is one: http://www.wiredscholar.com/.

Contact our Financial Aid office for more information on other scholarship sources.
 
http://www.tjsl.edu/index.cfm?rID_int=7&sID_int=26

[Happy_Weasel]

They only real problem with getting into what top students call "diploma mills" or "TTTs" is that most employers will overlook you. The stats seem to say that most low tier students only get jobs off the bat that pay only as much as a good 4-year degree. I just don't want to think that I am wasting my time and money only to get a $45,000/yr job when I am supposeed to be getting $80 or $90,000/yr and that the same salary that I am getting now, I could have gotten right out of school. I mean, this is why no matter who gives me the time of day next spring whether its only 3T Wyoming or #73 Miami, I am going to ask for no less than $55-60,000 in 2003 dollars for a job coming out of LS because there is no point unless its a special calling.

[mxpocc]

They only real problem with getting into what top students call "diploma mills" or "TTTs" is that most employers will overlook you. The stats seem to say that most low tier students only get jobs off the bat that pay only as much as a good 4-year degree. I just don't want to think that I am wasting my time and money only to get a $45,000/yr job when I am supposeed to be getting $80 or $90,000/yr and that the same salary that I am getting now, I could have gotten right out of school. I mean, this is why no matter who gives me the time of day next spring whether its only 3T Wyoming or #73 Miami, I am going to ask for no less than $55-60,000 in 2003 dollars for a job coming out of LS because there is no point unless its a special calling.

Eh, I think you're misinformed. 45k in wyoming is equivalent to about 125k anywhere else--check cost of living.

[desmo]

I love law school, but what I hate seeing is all the pretentious bastards that attend. Law School is something special that only a portion of the population will get the opportunity to revel in. I am currently in my second year at UT, had the option to attend a higher ranked school, but b/c I live in TX you can't beat the in state tuition. For those who continue to trash talk third tier toilets remember that they, like you, are human beings aspiring to be all that they can be. Just because they are not quite as academically inclined as you, doesn't make you a better person. Some people are quicker than others. It's a fact. But to constantly create threads that exploit this vulnerability is stupid. Unless you are at Yale, remember, there are people faster than you and I would hope they have the same modest respect that you should show to those at a lower ranked school. I am tired of hearing at my own school about how its the best school in Texas. I love that it is and I am honored for the privilege to attend, but it doesn't make me a better person. What makes you a better person is a mutual respect for your law school comrades, whether they are in your particular jurisdiction or not. Sorry for the long post, but the sadistic attacks are tiresome and unnecessary.

Take care and good luck to all,

Ryan

Eh, I like the sentiment, but I think you're kind of missing the point that many 3rd tier attendees are trying to make on this board; going to a 3rd tier school does not necessarily have ANY bearing on how mentally swift one is or how academically inclined they are.  There are a ton of factors that play into where one goes to school and what they do with their life in general.  You helped make this point when you brought up why you attended a lower-ranked school and then refuted it in your next couple of sentences.  I understand where you're coming from though, and I definitely agree that attacks by uber-elitists on third and fourth tier attendees is quite idiotic.  If you wouldn't say it to someones face, don't say it on a message board.

Agree with both of you...The people who designate T3/T4 schools as the "toilet tier" obviously lack the maturity and self-esteem to appreciate their own accomplishments without trampling on the achievements of others. I would estimate that most of these people are college seniors who have no real work experience (i.e. full-time high pressure jobs), and don't understand that the name of your school doesnt mean everything. Whether you're going to a law school ranked 1st or 118th, you should be proud of the fact that you're going to do something that most people don't have the motivation or ability to do. Confidence is a great attribute, but arrogance is a cancer. I bet the self-esteem of these individuals would plummet even further if coming out of law school, their first boss happens to be a "toilet tier" grad.
Also, just because you're going to a T14 or a top 50 school, doesn't necessarily mean that you're more intelligent or capable than certain individuals at a T3/T4 school. My father is a homicide prosecutor and a grad from a T3 school. He's just been promoted to a supervisor position over other attorneys who graduated from T1 schools. He also works with judges who are graduates from Ohio Northern. In fact, in his department is a Columbia grad who I've been told is a "terrible trial lawyer". He's defined as extremely "booksmart" but lacks the intangibles that it takes to be a successful trial attorney.
Doing well/poorly in undergrad, scoring high/low on the LSAT, and attending a top law school/T4 doesn't mean anything until you get out in the real world and show what you're made of. Those of us going to lower ranked schools may just have to work a little harder to prove ourselves...but hey, isn't that what it's all about?

he probably got promoted because he learned to hit the 'send' button only once on his email.  I hear that's a problem with some people...