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2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« on: April 12, 2008, 11:02:20 AM »
New 2008 NLJ 250 employment ranking: http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904889529

1.  Columbia
2. NW
3. Chicago
4. NYU
6. Cornell
8. Duke
10. Michigan
12. Stanford
15. Vanderbilt
16. GW
17. UCLA
18. BU
20. BC

It sorta irked me how the 2007 NLJ ranking has been used by many as an allegedly objective standard to rail against BU in the BU/BC debate.  I feel a little vindicated, though, again, ranking any one year from any one source means very little and should not be singularly relied upon.   

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2008, 11:06:45 AM »
This ranking should never be relied on, period.

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2008, 11:09:58 AM »
This ranking should never be relied on, period.

Except to rebuke the undue weight some accorded to last year's version ..  ;)

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2008, 11:38:49 AM »
If you want biglaw and are considering a school ranked lower than these and a few others it should be relied upon. 

*edit* this chart is actually pretty awesome - it includes clerkships, other firm jobs etc.   

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904900045

they even have regional rankings by placement, this is ny's

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904905714

the whole collection of data is pretty helpful if you ask me - this is data reported by firms, not manipulated by schools -
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904905714

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2008, 11:56:52 AM »
Another good article from the bunch - addresses debt and acknowledges the concept of a top 14 (even separates them in a chart).  Good read.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904889498

"Note we include a Top 14 category because the same schools have occupied the Top 14, occasionally switching positions, since the first U.S. News ranking in 1987. These schools all have national cachet in the entry-level legal markets."

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2008, 12:00:25 PM »
kind of crazy that a 2% change (5 students) makes us (BC) drop from 16 to 20.   

If this survey does come up in the BU vs BC debate, I think it is (or at least should be) to counter the notion that BU does "better nationally" in career prospects.   They are nearly identical schools in job prospects, and these placement numbers should help confirm that.
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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2008, 12:02:06 PM »
*edit* this chart is actually pretty awesome - it includes clerkships, other firm jobs etc.   

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904900045

they even have regional rankings by placement, this is ny's

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904905714

the whole collection of data is pretty helpful if you ask me - this is data reported by firms, not manipulated by schools -
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1207904905714

Note that the breakdowns by regions and sectors are based on 2005 numbers.  The general top 20 ranking is based on 2007 hiring statistics.

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2008, 12:05:20 PM »
kind of crazy that a 2% change (5 students) makes us (BC) drop from 16 to 20.   

If this survey does come up in the BU vs BC debate, I think it is (or at least should be) to counter the notion that BU does "better nationally" in career prospects.   They are nearly identical schools in job prospects, and these placement numbers should help confirm that.

Yup, my view all along has been that the two schools are nearly identical in virtually all material aspects.

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2008, 12:26:13 PM »
NLJ 250 != all biglaw

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Re: 2008 NLJ Employment Ranking
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2008, 12:39:34 PM »
The data is incredible and the story from Bill Henderson is absolutely true.  I hope more people look at these rankings and really consider whether its always worth it to attend the "higher ranked school" -- I think as Bill points out, the higher rank does not often materially improve your BIGLAW chances, outside of the T14.  I think what was telling was that even for the schools ranked say 15-30, there is such a dramatic difference from the T14, especially when you figure in the clerkship category. 

Realize that the latest 2007 chart that NLJ also just published has slightly better prospects for some schools, but, even there, the best schools do better than they did in Henderson's rankings.  And I believe there is at least a chance that with the economy doing so poorly that we could see a more 2005-ish employment picture next year.