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BU's v. BC's employment.

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Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2008, 01:28:58 PM »

In interesting read can be found here.
www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1168423325385

I don't think you should put too much stock into either school. You need to do well at eitehr school to get BigLaw. This is the same for all schools in the T30. I wouldn't get too upset that BC does marginally better than our school.

I don't subscribe to that - I can't see!
Neither can I. :(

I am not sure what Bosox' deal is. I agree totally that placement from BC and BU is the same (though I firmly believe that there is a marginally better chance of getting a boston job from BC and a national job from BU). Why do you keep ripping on BU, man? As I mentioned in another thread, in my V15 firm, we have 21 BU grads, but only 4 BC grads. It's only one anecdotal firm, and I am sure that firms with an office in Boston would have the opposite placement statistics, but still, it says something about BU's placement Vis-A-Vis BC. Are you sure you are not just assuming that the grass is greener on the other side?  ???

I'd be totally happy to go to either one of these schools.

I actually don't have an issue with BU. I enjoyed my time. I don't think it is responsible for people on this board to be claiming that our school places better at large firms. I turned down some pretty good schools to come to BU and, after getting decent grades, I was left without a job and had to work on my own to track down employment. I was not alone. About 25 other students in my class were unemployed about six months ago, and all of us were in the top half of the class. I have friends working retail becuase they could not get a job. I am not saying this is going to happen to anyone, but you have to do very well to get BIGLAW from BU.

Having said that, I dont think it is MUCH better at BC. However, the friends that I have who attneded BC all did very well in recruiting. Students with below average GPAs were able to land jobs at Ropes/Wilmer/Goodwin/Choate etc.

I was pretty amazed during 2L, and maybe now that I am a little older, I can provide some insight about my experience to others on this board. I think its important for people to post on this board other than than 1Ls and accepted students. I think we have a little more insight into the law school experience than the 1Ls or admitted students.
Thing is, dude, the idea that "top x%" get jobs from any school is a complete myth. In reality, "x%" get jobs, whether they are on the top or not. Sure, you are much more likely to get a job if you are in the top x, but when employment statistics go out, they include people who maybe knew somebody, or happen to be very good looking, or have busted their asses mail-merging their resumes all over Vault firms. So if you know people from top 30-40% from BU law who didn't get jobs, those positions were necessarily offered to other BU kids who ranked lower, but had something else to offer or some other in with a firm besides their top grades.

The same goes for BC and any other school. So if you know kids from BC lower 50% who got jobs, that's great. I know a Fordham bottom 25%er and a GW bottom 10%er (not IP believe it or not) who have a V15 gig. Does that means they have better placement? I don't think so. The whole point of the leiter study and other placement studies is to get a clearer picture of what placement really looks like, instead of depending on conjecture.

I understand what you are saying, and I appreciate you posting the reality that you are not guaranteed a job at top 30% from BU, but I think your unfavorable comparison with BC may come from some personal resentment for the OCI process rather than empirical data.

I also know someone from Columbia that's doing doc review - bad school? Go to BC instead?  ???

(Or I may be deluding myself cuz I just put my BU deposit in the mail. ;)  )

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Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2008, 01:30:52 PM »
Off-topic question for you BC/BU people who are responding to this thread.  I'm posing this question to you since you're familiar with the Boston legal market.  Everyone mainly has been telling me to attend GW, but LSD is focused on national job prospects, so I'm not sure this is the right advice.  Basically I have been continuing my research.

If I want a Boston job, would it be better to go to Northeastern than GW?  I spoke with someone in legal recruiting in BigLaw and they said if I want a Boston biglaw job, I should "hands down" choose Northeastern over GW if given the decision.  What do you guys think from your impressions?


I would probably go with GW, even for boston. In the end, if you decide not to come here, you will have better options. Essentially, NEU will get you into small/midsize firms up here, but few large firms will actually hire from there. One or two per summer classs. At GW, you will have numerous options for BigLaw.

I guess it depends how devoted you are to Boston.

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Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2008, 01:33:58 PM »
Then I would go to Northeastern. Another option would be to call BU and see if they'll let you in. I am assuming you are on the waitlist at BU. You could also take a year off and try to get into BC or BU.

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Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2008, 01:37:20 PM »
Then I would go to Northeastern. Another option would be to call BU and see if they'll let you in. I am assuming you are on the waitlist at BU. You could also take a year off and try to get into BC or BU.

I'm on the waitlist at BC, haven't heard from BU but I don't think its going to be a positive response.

Everyone on LSD (and several of my friends) is telling me to go to GW... it's very confusing.

If you have a husband, a house and a source of income in Boston, and I am assuming a little money from NEU, I would go there. If your husband is willling to move to DC, then I would most certainly go to GW. Your situation is more difficult than the notion of going to the best placing school you can get into.

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Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2008, 01:43:17 PM »
I would keep in contact with BC/BU and see if you can persuade them. I think they take people off the waitlist every year.

Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2008, 01:47:02 PM »
Placement is more or less identical.  BC does ever so slightly better in Ciolli's placement study, and also in the NLJ studies.  Choose based on fit.  Neither is really on the rise or on the decline just because US News dropped BC to 27 or 28.  BC places better than most of the 19-30 schools ranked ahead of it, and the US News rankings are essentially meaningless outside of general groupings.  The 19-30 schools are more or less interchangeable, with schools in the biggest markets having the best placement compared to rural market schools, and individual places in the ranking within this range are of little consequence.

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Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2008, 01:48:21 PM »
I would keep in contact with BC/BU and see if you can persuade them. I think they take people off the waitlist every year.

You have no idea how hard I am campaigning with BC right now.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Re: BU's v. BC's employment.
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2008, 01:55:30 PM »
I have friends working retail becuase they could not get a job. I am not saying this is going to happen to anyone, but you have to do very well to get BIGLAW from BU.

Having said that, I dont think it is MUCH better at BC.

I personally know a few 2Ls and a couple 3Ls with mediocre grades (but winning personality) with summer and permanent offers to join V100 in Boston and NYC.  To project your own experience on the school population is unfair and misleading.  To cite to NLJ and Ciolli, while ignoring about 4 other sources that support the opposing view, is also very misleading to any 0Ls who chance upon your post without having done enough research to realize the dubious value of any one single source of "data" about job placement.