1. I just did point to it. She tried to partly summarize it in her previous post, too. What do you say to our points?
Very well, I will slow it down a little bit:
Just how" implies ex nihilo--that our understanding of a necktie as "professional" is inherent to wrapping a pointy-ended piece of fabric around your neck.
This mode of dress, though it originates among anglo society, is accepted internationally by cultures that have nothing in common with the American culture as a symbol of status and class. Chinese businessmen dress like this. Russian businessmen dress like this. Indian businessmen dress like this. African buisinessmen dress like this. It is no longer native to the anglo culture. Assuming that the idea of having to dress in a mode that is considered professional around the world, regardless of culture, is somehow racist or prejudiciously advantages white people is silly. Even black american leaders (as pictured above) accept this mode of dress as "professional", not as "white".
Further, the idea that baggy jeans are somehow the "black uniform", and is therefore looked down upon for racist reasons is complete nonsense. Baggy jeans became a style statement of the lower class going back to the Gold Rush in the mid-1800's. White
roughnecks who wore their dungarees everywhere were always seen as "lower-class" and "unprofessional". This perception has continued into the modern day. Similarly, ill-fitting clothes (a/k/a baggy) are seen as unprofessional around the world, *including* in the professional african american community.
Placing an undue racial emphasis on an issue that has always existed in "professional" dress regardless of race doesn't somehow make dashrashi's point right.
2. Class, culture and race are necessarily conflated. I agree that they can be partly separated, and some do it better than others, but I think you sometimes jump to this conclusion improperly in this thread.
They are at the macro level, but at the individual or micro level, they are not. I say again and again that I agree with AA and other programs that help Black Americans as a macro social group specifically because I understand how these factors correlate.
But at the micro level, culture, class, and race can be and often are entirely seperate issues. A white boy who grew up as an orphan and is spending his entire life in the prison system has far, far more in common with underprivileged blacks culturally and in terms of class than he does other "white" people. The continued willful disregard of this very basic fact makes this entire discussion moot.