Quote from: BearlyLegal on April 06, 2008, 06:10:35 PMQuoteYou are just desperately not getting it, aren't you?I feel like this has become a mutual malady at this point. No reason to keep playing this silly game of ping-pong.No, you are right - Basketball shorts aren't standard board-room apparel because of racism, not cultural and class expectations. How could I have been so dense?Quite honestly, dude, you really are not getting it. She's logically in the right here. She got your argument, addressed it at its merits, and then countered the basic assumptions underlying it. Your response has been to repeat the argument that she's already laid bare.
QuoteYou are just desperately not getting it, aren't you?I feel like this has become a mutual malady at this point. No reason to keep playing this silly game of ping-pong.No, you are right - Basketball shorts aren't standard board-room apparel because of racism, not cultural and class expectations. How could I have been so dense?
You are just desperately not getting it, aren't you?
1. I just did point to it. She tried to partly summarize it in her previous post, too. What do you say to our points?
Just how" implies ex nihilo--that our understanding of a necktie as "professional" is inherent to wrapping a pointy-ended piece of fabric around your neck.
2. Class, culture and race are necessarily conflated. I agree that they can be partly separated, and some do it better than others, but I think you sometimes jump to this conclusion improperly in this thread.
Saw dashrashi's LSN site. Since she seems to use profanity, one could say that HYP does not necessarily mean class or refinement.
The only people that agree with her are the ones who already did. An unbiased observer more than likely can clearly see she is wrong.
I'm out. You're being obtuse for what are clearly self-reassuring reasons. You want me to tell you that you had it hard? Fine, you had it hard. Clearly, there's no such thing as white privilege because some number of white people have it hard. Couldn't possibly be. Whatever was I thinking. And clearly the ways in which they have it hard aren't stemming from a system modeled after institutions that have historically oppressed primarily people of color for racist reasons. Clearly they're completely unrelated. Clearly class and race can be neatly separated at all times. Clearly you can't draw out and analyze common associations between certain qualities and different races that many people (including the powerful) have and use to maintain traditional power structures. CLEARLY. Jesus H.
Modern black leaders:
I am urging people to unpack stuff a little beyond "it's professional because it's professional." Why is that outfit, precisely that, considered "professional"? Was it anything else before it was "professional"? Was it only or primarily worn by certain groups? Which groups? Etc. Come on, y'all. A little analysis is not that difficult.
J, if you didn't bring enough penis for everyone, you shouldn't have brought any penis at all.