I'm going to assume that.....

[Rhymnoceros]

Most people, Eastend? You're one of the most unimpressive posters in this thread, though I give you kudos for being the surliest hypocrite.

And the "crack about the T6"? Now that was appropriate and is in fact correct.

she says that she got a columbia admit somewhere else, so unless she's lying it's actually incorrect.

Note to self: withdraw from Columbia.

[eastend]

You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the poo you spew.

Good luck with all of that. 

Operaguy's more butch alter ego?

[eastend]

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

[$Bill]

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

Be that as it may, its a conservative position.  Regardless, I understand the argument that you shouldnt worry about what other peoples results are, but when you see a system like LSN that highlights the racist recruiting policies of many institutions, I think that frustration is well founded. 

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

But what about sex based AA? I mean its seems your in law school now becuase sex based AA worked so well in the past that its no longer needed. Perhapse race based AA will get to that point as well?

When does race based AA end?  What goal should be attained?  For gender its pretty reasonable: 50/50.  For race, must each college admissions report reflect a mirror image of the US Census pie chart of race in america?  And if it reaches that, stops, and suddenly asians and whites take up 75% of the pie, does it restart next year?

[OperaAttorney]

You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the poo you spew.

Good luck with all of that. 

Operaguy's more butch alter ego?

No, Eastend. If I had wanted to indulge in namecalling--your pedestrian version of the verbal duel--I would have (quite simply) called you a BITTER B*I*T*C*H.

[$Bill]

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

Be that as it may, its a conservative position.  Regardless, I understand the argument that you shouldnt worry about what other peoples results are, but when you see a system like LSN that highlights the racist recruiting policies of many institutions, I think that frustration is well founded. 

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

But what about sex based AA? I mean its seems your in law school now becuase sex based AA worked so well in the past that its no longer needed. Perhapse race based AA will get to that point as well?

When does race based AA end?  What goal should be attained?  For gender its pretty reasonable: 50/50.  For race, must each college admissions report reflect a mirror image of the US Census pie chart of race in america?  And if it reaches that, stops, and suddenly asians and whites take up 75% of the pie, does it restart next year?

I think it ends as did sex based AA when the majority of those applying could get in based on their numbers alone and it becomes a non issue, not on a lack of representation at a specific institution. It was not if one day we said ok all schools are open to women and the next day 50% of the population applied to be admitted, It took some time for the number of women going to school to reach that point (because of past social pressure that higher education was not their place). During this time “better-qualified” men lost out on getting into schools so those schools could meet a quota of female students.

However, do to the roughly 50% of the population being female this took far less time to come to fruition than would have been the case had women only been 10% of the population (although even the magority of females where also white). The fact of the matter is AA was invented for women; minorities came along later, and after seeing how effective it was for women, have tried to emulate that success. So long as white males tend to dominate higher education and the legal profession others will feel the need to change that, AA is often the tool of choice precisely because women are the poster child of its successful use.

As of the '06 census, the Black or African American population was 12%, whereas whites were at about 73%.  (wikipedia, the king of sources.)

Lsac says harvard had a 55% caucasian and an 8.6% black population last year.  If AA were to succeed, these two numbers would be equal.  But if the top schools in the country were all 3/4 white, is that really the program being successful?  I doubt the NAACP would agree.  I understand what your saying about the success of women, but that went along socioeconomic lines.  If there was a real AA I would support, it would be your national identity based on an average of reported taxable earnings over the last 5 years.

[$Bill]

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

Be that as it may, its a conservative position.  Regardless, I understand the argument that you shouldnt worry about what other peoples results are, but when you see a system like LSN that highlights the racist recruiting policies of many institutions, I think that frustration is well founded. 

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

But what about sex based AA? I mean its seems your in law school now becuase sex based AA worked so well in the past that its no longer needed. Perhapse race based AA will get to that point as well?

When does race based AA end?  What goal should be attained?  For gender its pretty reasonable: 50/50.  For race, must each college admissions report reflect a mirror image of the US Census pie chart of race in america?  And if it reaches that, stops, and suddenly asians and whites take up 75% of the pie, does it restart next year?

I think it ends as did sex based AA when the majority of those applying could get in based on their numbers alone and it becomes a non issue, not on a lack of representation at a specific institution. It was not if one day we said ok all schools are open to women and the next day 50% of the population applied to be admitted, It took some time for the number of women going to school to reach that point (because of past social pressure that higher education was not their place). During this time “better-qualified” men lost out on getting into schools so those schools could meet a quota of female students.

However, do to the roughly 50% of the population being female this took far less time to come to fruition than would have been the case had women only been 10% of the population (although even the magority of females where also white). The fact of the matter is AA was invented for women; minorities came along later, and after seeing how effective it was for women, have tried to emulate that success. So long as white males tend to dominate higher education and the legal profession others will feel the need to change that, AA is often the tool of choice precisely because women are the poster child of its successful use.

As of the '06 census, the Black or African American population was 12%, whereas whites were at about 73%.  (wikipedia, the king of sources.)

Lsac says harvard had a 55% caucasian and an 8.6% black population last year.  If AA were to succeed, these two numbers would be equal.  But if the top schools in the country were all 3/4 white, is that really the program being successful?  I doubt the NAACP would agree.  I understand what your saying about the success of women, but that went along socioeconomic lines.  If there was a real AA I would support, it would be your national identity based on an average of reported taxable earnings over the last 5 years.

So your arguing for AA based on income rather than race or sex or anything genetic?

Id prefer a purely merit based blind selection procedure for college admissions.  But if we have to use AA, i believe that income based selection will benefit dispossessed native americans on welfare rather then the children of a casino owner, the lower middle class white who has never felt any privilege of race in her homogeneous home town, and the inner city african american child who has been failed by still segregated schools.

[filet o' fish]

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

Too many assumptions here to even take this seriously.

[filet o' fish]

You're such a f-ing feminine hygiene product it's almost unfathomable.

Why are you wasting your time flaming your ridiculous opinions on an internet messageboard? Surely you're not interested in a bigger agenda, or worthy discussion, or anything else that seems meaningful. You're here to flame, period. Which makes me think you need a venue to spout your inane opinions because you're too much of a f-ing female private part and/or tool to do it in real life, which also makes me think you're just an insecure little stooge hiding in the back of his or her law school course hoping you're never taken to task for the *&^% you spew.

Good luck with all of that. 

i object to your dragging goalie's name into this mud.  change your handle and use your own name!

Does Stanley enjoy fruitcake?

[filet o' fish]

This board is so far to the left, sometimes Im afraid it will fall off the edge .  Way too many conservative posters are just labeled trolls.

I'm not a conservative, I'm just against race based AA.  I've been called everything on these boards, and generally as you can probably see, I reply in kind.  Respectful people, pro AA, or not, I'll treat them with respect.

You haven't made a single argument in your entire history on this board.

You flame, you bait, therefore you're a troll.

And you've hardly been respectful. Ass.