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ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2008, 02:54:46 PM »
can you stand one more question:

How does the LRAP program compare to other similarly ranked schools?

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2008, 03:48:04 PM »
Are prospects on NY employment similar inn both schools, or is BU better?

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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2008, 04:46:42 PM »
Thank you again for taking time to respond so thoroughly.

A couple of things:

1) Why do you say the DC market is a tough one to crack (I ask because it's a place I'd like to work after graduation). In a related matter, is it accurate to say that in order to land a good job in a place outside boston, you need to finish higher than if you wanted to stay in Boston? Meaning, is it only the top students who get offers in D.C., etc.?

Thank you again. You guys are doing a good job selling your school, btw.

I think DC is tough for many people. It's a relatively small legal market in comparison to NYC, and many people that go to law school dream of going there because of an interest in policy and/or politics. This means the T-14 are well represented in the area. Additionally, there are a number of good law schools inside the beltway (G-town, GW, GMU, American, U of MD), plus some good feeders within the region (UVA, W&M, W&L). All of this results in the truism that DC has the most lawyers per capita than any other city in the world.

Personally, I had a couple of callbacks at DC firms, but didn't pick up an offer down there.

I agree with the statement that you have to get better grades if you want the flexibility of other markets. This doesn't mean that you can't get a job outside of Boston/NYC, it's just that those two markets provide the most recruiting at OCI because of our geographic proximity and alumni network (as well as sheer size in the case of NYC). It's a game of numbers. Because we have more access to those markets, a lower GPA has a better shot at interviews/callbacks/offers.

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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2008, 04:57:50 PM »
can you stand one more question:

How does the LRAP program compare to other similarly ranked schools?

No problem, especially for one that is close to my heart as a former civil servant.

LRAP at BC is detailed at: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/career/public/lra.html

I think the $55k/$60k salary cap is on the generous side compared to some other programs. In past years, my understanding is that if you qualified, and you applied, you got LRAP no questions asked. This meant that there was an equal disbursement of funds among all recipients, so people were in the $5k to $7k range annually. This might not be a huge piece of change compared to G-town or Harvard's LRAP programs, but considering the relative size of endowments, BC puts their money where their mouth is and supports PI. This program is also still in its infancy and has been improving each year.

If you know you want to go into PI from the start, I'd also highly recommend applying for the PI scholarships: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/law/lwsch/publicservice01.html The larger one pays 2/3 of tuition each year, while the smaller one is $6k/yr.

Finally, I'd also keep track of the federal version of LRAP in the form of the CCRAA which goes active in July 2009. Equal Justice Works has the most useful site I've seen on the topic with links to all the major info: http://www.equaljusticeworks.org/resource/ccraa

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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2008, 05:08:14 PM »
Are prospects on NY employment similar inn both schools, or is BU better?

Honestly, NYC is a toss-up. It's a huge market. Some people used to say that BU was better placed in the NYC market because BC kids stayed in New England and took up all the jobs.

The reality is that BC and BU are both part of the Law School Consortium (as Stuje alluded to earlier). As a result, they take part in the same NYC off-campus job fair and receive offers in similar numbers. For more info on LSC, see: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/career/jobsearch/recruitguide/offcampusdirect.html

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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2008, 05:11:46 PM »
BC is looking like my most likely choice these days...


1) Where do law students live?

2) Do they tend to have roommates or live alone 1L?

3) Should I bring my car?


1) Brighton/Allston primarily, but I've seen folks scattered across Boston, especially during 2L or 3L year when they know the town better and can control their class schedule. Personally, I live in Newton about a mile from the school.

2) Personal preference. A lot of folks just show up to the housing fair during the big admitted student open house and find a roommate/apartment in the same day. I think roommates are a much more economical decision since you'll almost pay the same amount for a 2BR v. a 1BR.

3) Yes. There's plenty of parking both on-campus, as well as on the streets (if you know how to parallel park...if you don't, you can learn it pretty fast).

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2008, 05:49:30 PM »
I sincerely appreciate all the time that has been put into the responses....it is obvious you guys like your school, and it is all extremely helpful in this stressful decision making time.

I hope this doesn't violate any cross-posting etiquette (this is another thread as well), but....I'm deciding between Brooklyn Law School with a hefty scholarship vs. BC. As I mentioned earlier, I am interested in government/public international law (in which I have substantial experience). Care to sell me on why I should choose BC:)? I am not expecting any money from them.

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2008, 09:38:41 PM »
nukelaw, thanks so much for your responses to my questions. Stuje1 and you have pretty much sold me on BC. Not only did I like what I read in your answers, but just the fact that you answered our multiple questions so thoroughly means that you guys are the kinds of people I'd like to have as fellow law students. I want to be a part of the BC Law crowd, it just seems like a great place to be. As lurker said, you guys are doing a great job selling the school.

I have one other question if you don't mind. I read earlier in the thread (I think from a few months ago), I think it was bamf who said that BC has surprisingly good reach into the LA market (or at least relatively good, considering the two cities are as far apart as can possibly be in the US). I'm curious to know if you have seen this as well? The four cities I'd like to live in are New York, DC, Boston, and LA, so if this is really the case, BC seems like the ideal place for me. How do these students go about getting an LA job? Do LA firms actually come to BC for on campus interviews? Or is it more that the students are seeking out LA and there are a few BC partners out there, helping them with a good chance at an interview?

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #88 on: February 20, 2008, 09:48:32 PM »
I sincerely appreciate all the time that has been put into the responses....it is obvious you guys like your school, and it is all extremely helpful in this stressful decision making time.

I hope this doesn't violate any cross-posting etiquette (this is another thread as well), but....I'm deciding between Brooklyn Law School with a hefty scholarship vs. BC. As I mentioned earlier, I am interested in government/public international law (in which I have substantial experience). Care to sell me on why I should choose BC:)? I am not expecting any money from them.

Lurker, if you don't mind, I'd like to provide my two cents here. I think in regards to any career, you have to strongly consider the "name factor" when it comes to your university. While BC will certainly pile up the debt compared with Brooklyn, I think your job opportunities from BC (especially in Washington, where I'm pretty sure Brooklyn has zero pull) would instantly outweigh the cost difference. Coming from BC I think you'd have more jobs to choose from (at least more than from Brooklyn), so you'd be more likely to be able to choose the job you really want. It's not all about the money, you want to be doing what you really want to do. Student loans are paid over such a long period of time, keep that in mind. I think you would regret turning down BC come job-seeking time. Just my two cents, and obviously just a guess really, since I'm not in law school. And let me just say that I lived in DC for a few years, and while I'm sure the lawyers in DC have heard of Brooklyn Law, most everyone else in the city hasn't. Everyone knows Boston College. That could be a factor if you try to get a job at some government agency and perhaps not all those involved in the hiring decisions are lawyers. In DC you'll be fighting against resumes from GW and Georgetown; you'll have a much better chance if you're competing with a Boston College degree rather than Brooklyn Law. It's competition, it's all about who you are going up against.

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2008, 01:14:17 AM »
nukelaw, thanks so much for your responses to my questions. Stuje1 and you have pretty much sold me on BC. Not only did I like what I read in your answers, but just the fact that you answered our multiple questions so thoroughly means that you guys are the kinds of people I'd like to have as fellow law students. I want to be a part of the BC Law crowd, it just seems like a great place to be. As lurker said, you guys are doing a great job selling the school.

I have one other question if you don't mind. I read earlier in the thread (I think from a few months ago), I think it was bamf who said that BC has surprisingly good reach into the LA market (or at least relatively good, considering the two cities are as far apart as can possibly be in the US). I'm curious to know if you have seen this as well? The four cities I'd like to live in are New York, DC, Boston, and LA, so if this is really the case, BC seems like the ideal place for me. How do these students go about getting an LA job? Do LA firms actually come to BC for on campus interviews? Or is it more that the students are seeking out LA and there are a few BC partners out there, helping them with a good chance at an interview?

thanks Nukelaw.. you made me fall in love with the school without even visiting it!
I am curious about BC grads going out to LA too- Are the firms that come out from the West coast Biglaw firms that require you to be at least top 30%? What about for those bottom half of the class? It seems that BC opens many many great doors for those fortunate to graduate top of the class but what about the rest majority? Very well qualified individuals come to BC but unfortunately, half the class has to graduate the bottom half of their class, a quarter of that even lower. Any hope for those people on the West coast or even in New England in general?