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ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 05:36:33 PM »

How would each of you describe the facilities at your respective schools? I mean things like the on-campus fitness facility, the library, study areas, overall law building(s), etc...

There are two new buildings at BC Law (I mean, they seem new, but I guess they're about 10 years old by now) ... The Library and the East Wing.  All of my classes are in the East Wing ... it has 4 large lecture halls on the first two floors, and then two more floors of offices and smaller classrooms.  There are two other buildings, all conntected, that make up the law school ... stuart house, which is mostly smaller classrooms, offices and administration; and the Cottle Library, which I have never been in ... it used to be the law library and now houses offices and part of the main campus library collection. 
The law library is really beautiful ... I spend the majority of my day there ... I never study at home, so it is nice to have a great place to study.

The one somewhat strange thing about the law school is that a part of one of the older buildings has a cafeteria that serves the, 300? freshmen that live on the Newton campus. Upside: there is a full cafeteria right in the building; downside: there are freshmen.  But honestly you don't notice, and they dont stray into the law school (they aren't allowed to) so its not that big of a deal.

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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 06:43:53 PM »
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hey, bamf, how's BC treating you?

oh hey there Zamora!  BC is treating me just fine ... though I seem to be lacking in motivation to do the Contracts studying I told myself I would do today ... anyways, hows W&L?  Havin a good time down there?

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2007, 08:09:43 PM »
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hey, bamf, how's BC treating you?

oh hey there Zamora!  BC is treating me just fine ... though I seem to be lacking in motivation to do the Contracts studying I told myself I would do today ... anyways, hows W&L?  Havin a good time down there?

w&l is great, definitely no regrets. good school, good environment. i feel you on contracts. i made it my priority to get down to business in contracts over the break and i've not done nearly as much as i should have.


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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 09:08:07 AM »
bamf- thanks for the response(s). I've read a ton of your posts on this board re: BC, and have always found them very helpful and insightful.

Two other questions, which I admit are kind of nebulous but I'll shoot them off anyways-

1) I've heard/read that BC's admissions department is notoriously...unpredictable, for lack of a better word. Put another way, it seems as though if there is actually is one admissions department out there that doesn't index its applicants primarily via LSAT/GPA, it's BC. I've read posts on here mentioning applicants with outstanding numbers being rejected (not waitlisted, just rejected). From what you can gather from your classmates, etc., do you get a similar feeling? That many of your compatriots have more interesting/varied backgrounds or have some 'soft' accomplishments on their resumes and not just super-high test scores?

2) I think you've answered this one million times, and I know you are a 1L, but what is your sense of biglaw placement for BC applicants? I'm going to need to take out massive loans to finance my studies and if I choose BC, I'll likely need to at least start out at a large firm to help pay this off. Do you get the sense that biglaw is an option for students in the top 25%, top 33%, top half, etc.? I'd also assume those that do pursue this track choose to do so mainly in Boston.

Thanks in advance, and thanks again for all your responses heretofore. And I'm not specifically sure which posters on here are representing BU in this discussion, but those of you who are can feel free to chime in on the above questions re: BU if you're so inclined.  :)

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 09:14:34 AM »
How much better is BU's access to Boston nightlife than BC's?  Is it possible to take a subway or anything out/back from BC?

What are the pros/cons of the location for each school?


According to this, BU seems to be one of the most academically difficult schools in the country.  Do you think this is the case, and do you think BU students work significantly harder than BC students?

Do you think there are notable differences between the student bodies at the two school?  (Demographics, personality, etc)


BU is closer to downtown Boston, but most students I know hang out at bars around the law school and in Allston, due to proximity and cost.  BU's location is great, in that it's close enough to downtown and the airport, but far out enough for rent to be substantially cheaper than downtown Boston.  Allston is undergrad ghetto, but Brookline is really nice. BU campus itself, along with the law tower, is not pretty, but I guess that's common knowledge. The law tower is on the bank of the Charles river and has incredile view of Boston from the upper floors.  There is a brand new BU gym/athletic complex a few blocks from the law school.  It's supposed to be amazing, but I haven't been to the gym since school started, so I have no personal knowledge in that regard.

I think bamf's assessment as to "academic difficulty" and hours spent studying is right on.  

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2007, 09:41:50 AM »
I think you could help flesh out whether there is any substantive difference in demographics between the schools, by talking about what you see on each campus.  Cliques you've noticed, age ranges, general feel for diversity, any other noticeable trends, etc.  You won't be able to say how they're different, but we might be able to pick up on some differences through the conversation. 

I would love to hear who are the rock star professors at each school that seem to carry weight outside the campus and who are the great professors that just have a genuine passion for what they do.

With regard to demographics at BU, it's probably in line of what one expects to see at most reputable schools:  mainly college grads or those with 1-3 years of work experience, apprx 50% women, approx 30% minorities.  I have been pleasantly surprised by how easygoing and friendly people are, and I find the environment more engaging with more interesting personalities than my undergrad experience.

As for professors who are leaders in their fields, the law school website is a more reliable source than me.  What I can attest to is how amazing the professors are.  I don't know how else to explain it other than comparing them to my undergrad professors at Princeton.  3 of the 4 profs I have right now are the best I have ever had, and I never thought I would ever say that. 

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2007, 04:38:24 PM »
2) I think you've answered this one million times, and I know you are a 1L, but what is your sense of biglaw placement for BC applicants? I'm going to need to take out massive loans to finance my studies and if I choose BC, I'll likely need to at least start out at a large firm to help pay this off. Do you get the sense that biglaw is an option for students in the top 25%, top 33%, top half, etc.? I'd also assume those that do pursue this track choose to do so mainly in Boston.

About what % of students do you think end up with paid 1L summer jobs at big firms?

What is the rough biglaw cut-off point in the classes?  Midlaw?

The stats that CSO gave us during "get a job" orientation was about 17% of s1Ls working for firms, about 11% of that being biglaw.
Most of these will be either:
A) the major Boston firms wanting to get a 1L in their recruiting class with the hopes that this person will go back to campus and tell people what a great time he had over the summer (these are firms that hope to get multiple BC 2Ls in their summer class)
B) People going back to their hometown secondary markets, especially those without a top school nearby.

Alternately, apparently some kids get work with smaller firms after 1L, but this varies depending on the need of these smaller firms (I guess these jobs don't get offered until March or so, when most people already have jobs lined up.)

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As for 2L year, the number CSO quote us is 72% working for firms ... now I know this is not all biglaw, but from talking to 2 and 3Ls, being around the median and having a decent interview gives you a solid chance at a market job. They gave us lists of all the firms that 2Ls have gotten summer jobs with over the past 2 year and it listed just about every major firm up and down the east coast plus many top west coast firms (we seem especially strong in LA, which was interesting to me) ...

Now, you ask about "midlaw" ... from what I gather recruiting is not necessarily easier for midlaw, since many "midlaw" firms still pay market.  I don't know a whole lot about midlaw, but Boston seems to have a number of really great mid-sized firms.  A friend of mine in my section's husband is a first year at Choate Hall, which has about 250-300 lawyers and pays 160 (they're the guys who gave the summer associate offerees a video iPod) and he loves it.  Firms like these (mid sized, only 1 office, great local rep, more responsibility for young associates) love BC and BU kids, so if that is what you are looking for either schools would be a great place.

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2007, 04:47:34 PM »

I've heard/read that BC's admissions department is notoriously...unpredictable, for lack of a better word. Put another way, it seems as though if there is actually is one admissions department out there that doesn't index its applicants primarily via LSAT/GPA, it's BC. I've read posts on here mentioning applicants with outstanding numbers being rejected (not waitlisted, just rejected). From what you can gather from your classmates, etc., do you get a similar feeling? That many of your compatriots have more interesting/varied backgrounds or have some 'soft' accomplishments on their resumes and not just super-high test scores?

I definitely get the feeling that my classmates have a really impressive array of experiences and qualifications.  But this will probably be the case at most top schools because smart people do smart things.

I think BC is a little unpredictable simply because they get a huge amount of applicants and they like to keep their matriculation rate high.  BC does seem to favor locals from time to time ... a 164/ 3.5 from Newton or Watertown might get in while the same numbers from Delaware might get rejected.  But, to be honest, if I had a guess this will be downplayed this year.  Lets face it, BC needs to boost its admissions numbers, and they have to do it by throwing more money at higher numbered people (having a smaller class due to the increasing size of the LLM program and adding several additional faculty members to lower the S/F ratio (this number is 3, last time I knew) are other things they are doing to accomplish this) so I bet you will see some of the people with 170/ 3.8 getting accepted with money rather than waitlisted as they often seemed to be last year (if LSD/ LSN can be viewed as a decent sample size for making assumptions)

ok ok ... contracts time.  aaaaand go.

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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2007, 04:51:57 PM »

How would each of you describe the facilities at your respective schools? I mean things like the on-campus fitness facility, the library, study areas, overall law building(s), etc...

The one somewhat strange thing about the law school is that a part of one of the older buildings has a cafeteria that serves the, 300? freshmen that live on the Newton campus. Upside: there is a full cafeteria right in the building; downside: there are freshmen.  But honestly you don't notice, and they dont stray into the law school (they aren't allowed to) so its not that big of a deal.

LOL - Yeah my friend was housed there as a freshman at BC.  I visited her and she HATED living there.  The BC frosh who are housed there hate it - they feel like they got dinged majorly but they just chill.  I kinda feel bad for them being so far removed from everyone else and not getting the nice dorms...

yeah BC is hoping to cure this soon ... I live right across from St. Johns Seminary/ the former Catholic archdiocese campus that was just bought by BC (which is right across the street from the main campus).  If the city council would quit being the HUGE anti-student a$$holes tht they are, BC would start builing new dorms today and have the freshmen off Newton campus in a year.  For anyone that ends up BC Law '11 or '12 I guarantee the freshmen will be gone by your graduation, if not mine.

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2007, 04:54:02 PM »
Thanks for your great feedback, bamf and others. I doubt I'll get into either of these schools, but it's always fun to learn.