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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #170 on: March 29, 2008, 03:41:32 PM »
That's reassuring. 

Obviously I'm going to the BC ASD . . . I think I'm just really, really nervous about not liking it up there because BC is far and away the best offer I've gotten, so if I don't like it then I feel like I'm sort of up a creek w/o a paddle and all.

I'm from DC, which is why MD is at all in the running, and I have a fair amount of experience with Baltimore . . . a lot of the people I know in the legal community here are actually sort of bewildered by my desire to attend BC over MD, but obviously MD places well down here (or better than BC for the most part).  But I'm not in-state at Maryland, which definitely makes it a less attractive option.

I'll be the first to admit that BC's placement is stronger in Boston and NYC than DC. U-MD will be strong in Baltimore, and has some outreach into DC, but I'd bet mostly in government positions. Keep in mind that DC is arguably the toughest legal market to crack. In addition to some very good schools in G-town, GW, GMU, Catholic, American, and UDC, the top grads at other schools along with the Harvard, Yale, Stanford kids all want to come to the nation's capitol. On top of that, the legal market in DC is actually pretty small for big law firms. If you add in government positions, the number goes up, but the average salary decreases for a city that isn't the most affordable.

The best advice I can give on placement is to ask the career services offices directly for employment statistics.

I'd ask:

1) Breakdown of employment by sector? (i.e. - law firms, public interest, government, etc.)
2) Average starting salary of graduates?
3) How their on-campus recruiting system works (i.e. - do employers choose all interviewees, or are some spots reserved for lottery/student selections?)?
4) Percentage of students finding employment through on-campus recruiting?
5) Regional breakdown of where graduates ended up?
6) Level of clerkships graduates attained (i.e. - state or federal, trial or appellate?)?

If after all that you decided U of MD is a better option for your needs, you have my blessing. I spent two summers living in College Park and having nothing but love for the Terps.

Regarding in-state, you should be able to get in-state tuition rate beginning 2L year. If it's a large burden on you, I'd also consider deferring for a year, moving to gain residency status, and starting fall of 2009.

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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #171 on: March 29, 2008, 05:59:58 PM »
To the BU kids: Is the 1L Legal Writing Seminar graded?

Yes, it's graded on an A- curve.

Moot Court is part of the seminar, too, during 2nd semester and the oral arguments are pass/fail.


Damn. That's really unpleasant. :(

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« Reply #172 on: March 29, 2008, 06:01:29 PM »
To the BC students who've already answered a ton of q's (and thanks again for that):

I had a chance to visit the campus recently, and while I came away with a generally great impression, one aspect really disappointed me - the commute. While many law schools go out of their way to put housing, gym, etc. within spitting distance of the law school, I was dismayed that most students (who come from the Harvard stop) have a nearly 40 minute door to door commute, and that it involves a train and a shuttle which usually require a wait. Others have an even longer commute it seems. And the area closest to the final BC T stop doesn't seem to offer much at all in terms of quality of life.

During 1L when time is at a premium, the thought of spending 1 hr 15 minutes commuting each day in the cold is really unappealing. Is there something I'm missing, because it didn't really seem to faze the students there? Also, do you have any recommendations for someone who wishes to have as small a commute as possible and wants to live very close to a gym?

thanks for any input.



I'm going to respond to the bolded part first

I live right by the last BC T stop, a 4 minute walk or so to the shuttle, no T required.  I have a huge half-house, parking, a side yard and a pond in my back yard.  At the other end of the street is washington st. which has a bunch of bars, food, coffee shops etc.  Also a gym above the starbucks.  Thats all abotu a 2 minute walk away.  And then there is the T right there if you ever need to get downtown.

Now, as for the hour and 15 minute commute, that is a drastic overstatement.  If you are going to BC you will not want to live as far up Comm Ave as Harvard T stop, you will want to live in the Cleveland Circle area (another great spot right by BC with bars, food, private gym, etc.).  You will have a 10 - 15 minute total T ride, including waiting, in the morning (2 stops from Cleveland Circle to BC), and then another 10 minutes waiting and riding the shuttle.  If you are taking the T from Harvard ave to BU (central is the law school stop) the transit time will not be much different because the Green Line stops for traffic.

so yeah, I wouldn't say that the commute fazes pepole because it is not nearly as long as you percieve, so long as you don't live too far away from the school (and you don't have to).

But anyways, don't pick your school because of the living situation ... trust me, you will find a way to make it work wherever you end up.

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Bamf, given your current living situation, do you drive to school or walk to the shuttle and take that? 

I personally drive, but two of my housemates dont have cars and do the shuttle thing frequently, and it is just fine.  If you want to google map it, I live on Lake St., past the seminary but before washington st.  And while I do have a pond in my backyard I would not in any way say that I live in the suburbs.  It is sort of the nature of Boston that there are more 3 level condos and brownstones than high rise apartment buildings once you get away from the downtown area (this goes for the BU area around Comm and Beacon as well)so it doesn't feel like Manhattan, but it is in no way the burbs, at least not the burbs I grew up in.  If you go right on Washington from my street you end up in Brighton Center and if you go left you end up in Oak square, both cool neighborhood that, like I said before, have restaurants, shops, bars, etc.

So, if you want to live up Comm ave by Harvard ave or in Packards corner it is fine, you'll just have a longer commute if you take the T (yeah, I know people who do it).  It just depends on your tolerance for public transport.  I know people who live in Cambridge and walk across the river to jump on the T in the morning, so it is up to you.

Anyways, without going through and addressing all of your concerns about Boston and the neighborhood lets just say that there is plenty of city and it really isn't difficult to get around without a car.  And like, you won't be in as much danger of getting shot as you would in Baltimore ...
(I kid)
(kind of)
But really, even if it is not your IDEAL situation, I strongly suggest against making a decision about your school based on the neighborhood.  Boston might not be what you're used to, but I personally think BC is worth having to adapt.

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So as for finding a place, I think July would be on the late end, and you probably wouldn't be able to find an Aug 1 start date, but it is possible.  I got my place in late june, which seemed pretty normal.


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Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #173 on: March 29, 2008, 06:04:22 PM »
To the BU kids: Is the 1L Legal Writing Seminar graded?

Yes, it's graded on an A- curve.

Moot Court is part of the seminar, too, during 2nd semester and the oral arguments are pass/fail.


Damn. That's really unpleasant. :(

??
Do other schools not grade their writing class?  Its pretty essential to your career, I feel like employers might not like a P/F writing class too much.  I'm assuming that all BU's classes aren't A- curves, so having a more forgiving curve for it is pretty nice.
But I'm thankful for our writing class being graded, because I feel like it is a little easier to do really well in, or at least be more certain about beating the curve.  Its our only class with more than 1 grade, anways...

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #174 on: March 29, 2008, 08:03:51 PM »
That's reassuring. 

Obviously I'm going to the BC ASD . . . I think I'm just really, really nervous about not liking it up there because BC is far and away the best offer I've gotten, so if I don't like it then I feel like I'm sort of up a creek w/o a paddle and all.




Oh man, I hear you D. . . I totally feel the same way.  There is part of me that is saying to myself  "You are LUCKY you got into BC, you got rejected and waitlisted from school ranked well below it.  This your lucky break"  but my heart's not totally in it.  I went to a BC admitted students event in NY, and I wanted to cry when I left.  I was just not into the people. . . I'm going to the ASD and hoping to have a better experience.  I visited the campus a few weeks ago and left thinking: "well it's really pretty. . . and I guess I can study during the T ride, right?"  Again, not as enthused as I wish I was. Jeez I wish someone could just swoop in and make this decision for me.  I keep reminding myself I'm lucky to have options to begin with. . .

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #175 on: March 29, 2008, 08:39:29 PM »
I guess I should note that the other school I'm considering is Northeastern, where I feel like there are a lot of people who are going to law school for similar reasons as me: wanting to work in the public interest, improving policy on criminal law/ immigration law/ human rights law/ etc. . . So all this "what are my prospects for Big law placement" mumbojumbo just kind of makes my eyes glaze over.  It probably didn't help that the whole event was at a penthouse conference room at one of NY's largest firms, heheh. . . 
I didn't find the alums that helpful, it kind of felt like someone had prepped them beforehand, like they were very positive but also seemed sort of ingenuine.  I dunno. 
I think I went to the event in the hopes of coming away from it being like: "that was awesome!  I love BC!!" but instead it was just a bunch of BC reps re-iterating the written material I've gotten in the mail, and a couple undecided kids.

You are totally right about never knowing what will happen in terms of liking/hating a place and the people there.  I am just so afraid of regretting my decision. . .

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« Reply #176 on: March 30, 2008, 09:25:16 AM »
I guess I should note that the other school I'm considering is Northeastern, where I feel like there are a lot of people who are going to law school for similar reasons as me: wanting to work in the public interest, improving policy on criminal law/ immigration law/ human rights law/ etc. . . So all this "what are my prospects for Big law placement" mumbojumbo just kind of makes my eyes glaze over.  It probably didn't help that the whole event was at a penthouse conference room at one of NY's largest firms, heheh. . . 
I didn't find the alums that helpful, it kind of felt like someone had prepped them beforehand, like they were very positive but also seemed sort of ingenuine.  I dunno. 
I think I went to the event in the hopes of coming away from it being like: "that was awesome!  I love BC!!" but instead it was just a bunch of BC reps re-iterating the written material I've gotten in the mail, and a couple undecided kids.

You are totally right about never knowing what will happen in terms of liking/hating a place and the people there.  I am just so afraid of regretting my decision. . .

Hey, I'm not knocking public interest. I spent five years in and out of the government before going to law school.

BC actually has a higher PI/Gov't placement than a lot of peer schools. Class of 2006 was 14%, with another 14% taking clerkships (that some followed by PI/Gov't).

If this is your interest, my suggestion would be to get in touch with some of the Public Interest Law Foundation (PILF) folks: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/studentorgs/pilf.html

They'd probably be more than willing to meet up with you separate from any planned activities to show you around and address your concerns.

I'd also highly recommend applying for the 2/3 tuition public service scholarship if you haven't already: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/finaid/scholloans.html#publicservicescholarship

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #177 on: March 30, 2008, 05:15:51 PM »
Thanks...of course I wouldn't rule out BC on this alone. As I said, I had a great visit otherwise. IT was merely an observation. While it's good to know the commute won't be as bad as I thought, it still seems a bit long. I walked between the BC T stop and Washington St. on Lake and it took almost 15 minutes. The shuttle from BC Undergrad to the law school took more than 20 (not counting the wait. But I know the shuttle ride back from the law school is a lot quicker.) So that's still not an insignificant amount of time commuting. Again, this is hardly a deal breaker - jut an observation on which I was hoping to be proven wrong!


To the BC students who've already answered a ton of q's (and thanks again for that):

I had a chance to visit the campus recently, and while I came away with a generally great impression, one aspect really disappointed me - the commute. While many law schools go out of their way to put housing, gym, etc. within spitting distance of the law school, I was dismayed that most students (who come from the Harvard stop) have a nearly 40 minute door to door commute, and that it involves a train and a shuttle which usually require a wait. Others have an even longer commute it seems. And the area closest to the final BC T stop doesn't seem to offer much at all in terms of quality of life.

During 1L when time is at a premium, the thought of spending 1 hr 15 minutes commuting each day in the cold is really unappealing. Is there something I'm missing, because it didn't really seem to faze the students there? Also, do you have any recommendations for someone who wishes to have as small a commute as possible and wants to live very close to a gym?

thanks for any input.



I'm going to respond to the bolded part first

I live right by the last BC T stop, a 4 minute walk or so to the shuttle, no T required.  I have a huge half-house, parking, a side yard and a pond in my back yard.  At the other end of the street is washington st. which has a bunch of bars, food, coffee shops etc.  Also a gym above the starbucks.  Thats all abotu a 2 minute walk away.  And then there is the T right there if you ever need to get downtown.

Now, as for the hour and 15 minute commute, that is a drastic overstatement.  If you are going to BC you will not want to live as far up Comm Ave as Harvard T stop, you will want to live in the Cleveland Circle area (another great spot right by BC with bars, food, private gym, etc.).  You will have a 10 - 15 minute total T ride, including waiting, in the morning (2 stops from Cleveland Circle to BC), and then another 10 minutes waiting and riding the shuttle.  If you are taking the T from Harvard ave to BU (central is the law school stop) the transit time will not be much different because the Green Line stops for traffic.

so yeah, I wouldn't say that the commute fazes pepole because it is not nearly as long as you percieve, so long as you don't live too far away from the school (and you don't have to).

But anyways, don't pick your school because of the living situation ... trust me, you will find a way to make it work wherever you end up.

--

Now, did someone  ask about law prom?  yeah, it is exactly what it sounds like...


Bamf, given your current living situation, do you drive to school or walk to the shuttle and take that? 

I personally drive, but two of my housemates dont have cars and do the shuttle thing frequently, and it is just fine.  If you want to google map it, I live on Lake St., past the seminary but before washington st.  And while I do have a pond in my backyard I would not in any way say that I live in the suburbs.  It is sort of the nature of Boston that there are more 3 level condos and brownstones than high rise apartment buildings once you get away from the downtown area (this goes for the BU area around Comm and Beacon as well)so it doesn't feel like Manhattan, but it is in no way the burbs, at least not the burbs I grew up in.  If you go right on Washington from my street you end up in Brighton Center and if you go left you end up in Oak square, both cool neighborhood that, like I said before, have restaurants, shops, bars, etc.

So, if you want to live up Comm ave by Harvard ave or in Packards corner it is fine, you'll just have a longer commute if you take the T (yeah, I know people who do it).  It just depends on your tolerance for public transport.  I know people who live in Cambridge and walk across the river to jump on the T in the morning, so it is up to you.

Anyways, without going through and addressing all of your concerns about Boston and the neighborhood lets just say that there is plenty of city and it really isn't difficult to get around without a car.  And like, you won't be in as much danger of getting shot as you would in Baltimore ...
(I kid)
(kind of)
But really, even if it is not your IDEAL situation, I strongly suggest against making a decision about your school based on the neighborhood.  Boston might not be what you're used to, but I personally think BC is worth having to adapt.

--

So as for finding a place, I think July would be on the late end, and you probably wouldn't be able to find an Aug 1 start date, but it is possible.  I got my place in late june, which seemed pretty normal.



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« Reply #178 on: March 31, 2008, 03:12:22 PM »
Thanks...of course I wouldn't rule out BC on this alone. As I said, I had a great visit otherwise. IT was merely an observation. While it's good to know the commute won't be as bad as I thought, it still seems a bit long. I walked between the BC T stop and Washington St. on Lake and it took almost 15 minutes. The shuttle from BC Undergrad to the law school took more than 20 (not counting the wait. But I know the shuttle ride back from the law school is a lot quicker.) So that's still not an insignificant amount of time commuting. Again, this is hardly a deal breaker - jut an observation on which I was hoping to be proven wrong!


I'm not trying to pick on you or beat a dead horse or anything, but what day were you visiting?  Also, there are a bunch of different bus routes, some that go all the way through campus, some that go to the Reservoir T stop (D Line) in Cleveland Circle, and one that runs between Chestnut Hill main entrance and Newton constantly, with no other stops.  During school days this shuttle runs constantly, and the ride should only be about 5 mins max, maybe 10 with morning traffic.

This bus situation caused some humor for me earlier in the semester ... my housemate took the shuttle home during lunch, and had previously only been on the All Stops bus (As opposed to Eagle Direct I think it is called, which is just main gate to Newton) ... anyways, he did not know the Eagle Direct bus existed, so he was doing some reading on the bus and didnt look up for the first stop, which he expected to be on the other side of campus form us.  Only when the bus was on its wy back to Newton did he notice that his was the single stop bus, so he had to get off and get back on the departing bus when he got back to the law school.

Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
« Reply #179 on: April 01, 2008, 07:46:07 AM »
o.k. sorry - I visited the week of March 24, which I think is spring break. Were they running with lesser frequency as a result? Also, I did not know that there were multiple shuttles. The ride back from the law school to the UG was super quick (7 min), but the one I got on to go to the law school made a long, winding loop through the UG campus which took more than 20 minutes.

Also, I didn't mean to make a mountain out of this - it's just that for some people (like me) convenience is really, really important, and I was paying extra close attention to it. I would ideally like no more than a 20 minute door to door commute, which is I think easier at other schools for those without a car. But the fact that I am returning to campus again for ASD obviously means I still like the place.