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for those that have started law school

Yeah, me.

Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2006, 11:08:17 AM »
Well, that's what the crits say. But there's more to it than that: they (the judges) are constrained by what they know and what they don't, what they think an court above them will say and won't, what they can imagine, hw they've been told the story of the two people in this conflict, etc. Someone should teach that since that's what matters.

that's why i said it was the cynic's view.

better narrative, yeah yeah.

You think it's an accident that law school kids learn from appellate cases?

i think it's incorrect to believe that law school kids learn.

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Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2006, 11:08:31 AM »
Okay, look at negligence: what is it? Oh, it's not taking a precaution that a reasonable person would take under the circumstance. Oh, okay. What's a reasonable person? Oh, it's someone who wouldn't act negligently. Oh? Umm. Hmm.

I tend to assume that the reasonable person standard exists to allow judges to enforce their personal preferences while still believing, or at least claiming, to merely be correctly applying the law.

Okay, look at negligence: what is it? Oh, it's not taking a precaution that a reasonable person would take under the circumstance. Oh, okay. What's a reasonable person? Oh, it's someone who wouldn't act negligently. Oh? Umm. Hmm.

this is ridiculous.  a reasonable person is what the judge/jury says a reaonable person is.  there are no standards in law.  it's all made up.  the only parts that are considered "true" are the parts that sound good or are espoused by prestigious thinkers. 

(the cynic's view)

Well, that's what the crits say. But there's more to it than that: they (the judges) are constrained by what they know and what they don't, what they think an court above them will say and won't, what they can imagine, hw they've been told the story of the two people in this conflict, etc. Someone should teach that since that's what matters.

Why do you think that this doesn't happen?  All I can say is I don't see it happening at my school - my torts professor is an amazingly cynical, very entertaining fellow who strangely reminds me of Vizzini in the Princess Bride:


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Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2006, 11:09:06 AM »
Oh, and by the way, ya'' should check out a really interesting article on law school class rank that I found a while back:

51 J. Legal Educ. 98 (2001)

It's kinda scary.  :D

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Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2006, 11:10:57 AM »
Why do you think that this doesn't happen?  All I can say is I don't see it happening at my school - my torts professor is an amazingly cynical, very entertaining fellow who strangely reminds me of Vizzini in the Princess Bride:



Well, hell. What do I know? I just worry and ask questions. When I hear that 'principles' are being taught, I worry more.

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Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2006, 11:18:58 AM »
Why do you think that this doesn't happen?  All I can say is I don't see it happening at my school - my torts professor is an amazingly cynical, very entertaining fellow who strangely reminds me of Vizzini in the Princess Bride:



Well, hell. What do I know? I just worry and ask questions. When I hear that 'principles' are being taught, I worry more.

I certainly shouldn't imply that there's nothing to worry about, everything is just peachy with the way kids learn the law these days.  I can only speak for my school, and I can only speak from the perspective of someone with a passion for learning it.  What do we do with the tons of kids who go to law school for nothing more than money/prestige/default reasons?  I think that's the really tough question.  You can lead a horse to water . . .

Yeah, me.

Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2006, 11:19:07 AM »
Oh, and by the way, ya'' should check out a really interesting article on law school class rank that I found a while back:

51 J. Legal Educ. 98 (2001)

It's kinda scary.  :D

i'm having trouble finding this thing.

redemption

Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2006, 11:26:44 AM »

Well, hell. What do I know? I just worry and ask questions. When I hear that 'principles' are being taught, I worry more.

I certainly shouldn't imply that there's nothing to worry about, everything is just peachy with the way kids learn the law these days.  I can only speak for my school, and I can only speak from the perspective of someone with a passion for learning it.  What do we do with the tons of kids who go to law school for nothing more than money/prestige/default reasons?  I think that's the really tough question.  You can lead a horse to water . . .
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Hmm, I'll think some more on that

redemption

Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2006, 11:27:09 AM »
Oh, and by the way, ya'' should check out a really interesting article on law school class rank that I found a while back:

51 J. Legal Educ. 98 (2001)

It's kinda scary.  :D

i'm having trouble finding this thing.

I'll email it to you

redemption

Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2006, 11:37:07 AM »
Oh, and by the way, ya'' should check out a really interesting article on law school class rank that I found a while back:

51 J. Legal Educ. 98 (2001)

It's kinda scary.  :D

Fabulous.  This is not going to help motivate me to make my first real attempt at getting decent grades.

 ;D

Yeah, me.

Re: for those that have started law school
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2006, 11:44:17 AM »
Oh, and by the way, ya'' should check out a really interesting article on law school class rank that I found a while back:

51 J. Legal Educ. 98 (2001)

It's kinda scary.  :D

i'm having trouble finding this thing.

go to westlaw

type "51 j legal educ 98"

it goes to the article

what have they been teaching you kids at columbia?  ::)

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