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« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2006, 02:16:33 PM »
And while I see the value of (most) gay rights strategies as securing temporary toeholds in society for some gays and lesbians, I am more interested, long term, in busting the whole thing up. 

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "busting the whole thing up"?  My point of contention with H4CS is that he/she/it made it sound like they were arguing for the removal of ALL social mores surrounding sexuality.  In other words, that society should have no difference in its approval of promiscuity vs. monogamy, safe sex vs. irresponsible practice, healthy personal boundaries vs. acting out, etc.  I simply don't believe that such a position is wise, nor that it is a prerequisite for gay rights or acceptance.  I'm talking about certain values that are shared by most homosexuals, yet it seems like I'm being attacked and called a bigot for it.  I feel like this is simply not right.


Yes, that's actually precisely what I meant.  That we can have health concerns (such as not exchanging certain bodily fluids or universal health insurance) and moral concerns (such as honesty) and aesthetic concerns (such as, that's a trashy-looking leopard print G-string if I ever saw one), and some of these will involve sexual behaviors.  But when you're concerned about promiscuity vs. monogamy, what are you really concerned about?  Fidelity?  Health?  The sanctity of a relationship before God? The fact that it sometimes gets confusing to juggle a few different girls?  Why not tackle these on their actual bases rather than making it into a much bigger moral question?

Also, it's important to remember that sexual behavior is not necessarily a question of identity.  I mean, in our version of things, it definitely is, and as a political creature, I see some value to that.  But I think it's more fun to imagine a world where people's identities and preferences are much more fluid.   

Finally, I am playing good cop, here, remember.  I certainly never called you a bigot or anything else.

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« Reply #161 on: May 19, 2006, 02:18:39 PM »
Yes, that's actually precisely what I meant.  That we can have health concerns (such as not exchanging certain bodily fluids or universal health insurance) and moral concerns (such as honesty) and aesthetic concerns (such as, that's a trashy-looking leopard print G-string if I ever saw one), and some of these will involve sexual behaviors.  But when you're concerned about promiscuity vs. monogamy, what are you really concerned about?  Fidelity?  Health?  The sanctity of a relationship before God? The fact that it sometimes gets confusing to juggle a few different girls?  Why not tackle these on their actual bases rather than making it into a much bigger moral question?

Also, it's important to remember that sexual behavior is not necessarily a question of identity.  I mean, in our version of things, it definitely is, and as a political creature, I see some value to that.  But I think it's more fun to imagine a world where people's identities and preferences are much more fluid.   

Finally, I am playing good cop, here, remember.  I certainly never called you a bigot or anything else.

you've been reading too much from judith butler. ;)

Re: Ask a Homosexual
« Reply #162 on: May 19, 2006, 02:20:31 PM »
is it just me or does this thread have 2 conversations going on at the same time?

Yes, I think some of us are ignoring the gay pride/public nudity/political action convo because that subject is totally boring...

I've never seen an interesting LSD thread before with less than 3 or 4 parallel trains of thought.  :)

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« Reply #163 on: May 19, 2006, 02:21:24 PM »
you've been reading too much from judith butler. ;)

Not in years, actually, but I know this sounds like a very off-price crib sheet.
Redemption, Redemption, I've found you a friend!

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« Reply #164 on: May 19, 2006, 02:23:08 PM »
you've been reading too much from judith butler. ;)

Not in years, actually, but I know this sounds like a very off-price crib sheet.
Redemption, Redemption, I've found you a friend!

She ran off to an ATM, she'll be back soon.

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« Reply #165 on: May 19, 2006, 02:23:55 PM »
you mean like the straight folks at mardi gras??

You might not have made it to the gay side (The music is better) its a deadlock with the heteros, or New Orleans for Halloween.

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« Reply #166 on: May 19, 2006, 02:27:14 PM »
"But I have never been insulted by bicurious girl's suggestion that I am such a perfect exemplar of femininity that she could judge her attraction to women by having a few rolls in the hay with me. "

LOL.  You are hilarious, Miss P!  But what I was really talking about was, well for example,  Ellen (DeGenres)'s relationship with Anne Heche.  To me, she was faking it for the publicity.  I'm talking about the dishonest people.  I think that they should say upfront that they are merely "curious" to stop any hurt feelings.  

see i dont see it like that.

but i dont see love as a
'forever' thing either

they were in love for awhile.  things wnt sour, she moved on.


I don't know.  From what I can tell as a way-outsider on this one (I don't even know any blondes), Anne Heche was pretty shady the way she dealt with Ellen.  I don't know if it was all as easy as their being in love for a while.  But let bygones be bygones: Heche is stuck starring in a new television show with a perfectly loathesome description and Ellen is dating Portia.  :D

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Re: Ask a Homosexual
« Reply #167 on: May 19, 2006, 02:44:45 PM »
Do you see sexual orientation as binary or a continuum?  By that I mean is it Gay vs. Straight or more of a Totally gay >>>>> Bi sexual <<<<< Totally straight?

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« Reply #168 on: May 19, 2006, 02:57:14 PM »
isnt there a 7point scale, with few at the ends?

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« Reply #169 on: May 19, 2006, 03:07:03 PM »
Well, I like it better than ternary. But I like quaternary the best.