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St. John's Law School

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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2006, 12:13:39 AM »
Zachary...check out this website for an answer to your job prospect questions.

www.nalpdirectory.com

Thanks for your thoughtful advice Intent06. However, I find nalpdirectory.com to be somewhat inaccurate when it comes to employment information. For example, it tells you how many firms come interview, but it does not tell you how many hire. Interviewing is one thing, but hiring is another. I think Howard University School of Law is a excellent example. Many firms interview at Howard, however, very few actually hire. I just wanted some "unoffcial" information about St. John's. Judging from the lack of responses to my post, I have come to the conclusion that few know about the school.

Oh I wouldn't go that far, son.  St. John's does its thang.  And correction on the Howard interview/hire thing, many firms in NY both interview and hire from Howard. When they want black folk, they know where to go.  But back to St. John's, I think MD broke it down best so I'll just say co-sign.

I am sorry, I was somewhat vaugue in my previous post regarding Howard. BIG LAW firms interview at Howard, but do not hire. Yeah your typical small or medium size law firm will probably hire howard grads, but very few BIG LAW firms hire from Howard. I challenge you to go and look at any big law firm website and see how many howard grads are associates. You will probably find a few, but not many.

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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2006, 05:01:25 AM »
Zachary...check out this website for an answer to your job prospect questions.

www.nalpdirectory.com

Thanks for your thoughtful advice Intent06. However, I find nalpdirectory.com to be somewhat inaccurate when it comes to employment information. For example, it tells you how many firms come interview, but it does not tell you how many hire. Interviewing is one thing, but hiring is another. I think Howard University School of Law is a excellent example. Many firms interview at Howard, however, very few actually hire. I just wanted some "unoffcial" information about St. John's. Judging from the lack of responses to my post, I have come to the conclusion that few know about the school.

Oh I wouldn't go that far, son.  St. John's does its thang.  And correction on the Howard interview/hire thing, many firms in NY both interview and hire from Howard. When they want black folk, they know where to go.  But back to St. John's, I think MD broke it down best so I'll just say co-sign.

I am sorry, I was somewhat vaugue in my previous post regarding Howard. BIG LAW firms interview at Howard, but do not hire. Yeah your typical small or medium size law firm will probably hire howard grads, but very few BIG LAW firms hire from Howard. I challenge you to go and look at any big law firm website and see how many howard grads are associates. You will probably find a few, but not many.
That's because Howard's graduating classes are only 160.  You aren't going to find a lot, but you'll find a good amt.  How many did you find for St.John's?  I'm sure it's relative.  I work for a T10 Vault firm and they have 2.

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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2006, 07:48:30 AM »
Zachary...check out this website for an answer to your job prospect questions.

www.nalpdirectory.com

Thanks for your thoughtful advice Intent06. However, I find nalpdirectory.com to be somewhat inaccurate when it comes to employment information. For example, it tells you how many firms come interview, but it does not tell you how many hire. Interviewing is one thing, but hiring is another. I think Howard University School of Law is a excellent example. Many firms interview at Howard, however, very few actually hire. I just wanted some "unoffcial" information about St. John's. Judging from the lack of responses to my post, I have come to the conclusion that few know about the school.

Oh I wouldn't go that far, son.  St. John's does its thang.  And correction on the Howard interview/hire thing, many firms in NY both interview and hire from Howard. When they want black folk, they know where to go.  But back to St. John's, I think MD broke it down best so I'll just say co-sign.

I am sorry, I was somewhat vaugue in my previous post regarding Howard. BIG LAW firms interview at Howard, but do not hire. Yeah your typical small or medium size law firm will probably hire howard grads, but very few BIG LAW firms hire from Howard. I challenge you to go and look at any big law firm website and see how many howard grads are associates. You will probably find a few, but not many.

Actually I'll one-up you on that challenge because I don't need to look at the Big Law firm websites - I've actually met many of the black law firm associates at Paul Weiss, Cravath, etc. and a large % of them are graduates of Howard Law.  I'm tellin you, after meeting the only black partner at Sullivan & Cromwell, a Howard Law alumn, it made me wanna transfer law schools.  Damn near all he hires at Sullivan is Howard Law grads. 

IN FACT, a howard law alumn will get a better look than most of the traditional schools that feed the NYC market. Its crazy.


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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2006, 08:04:14 AM »
I know this is a St. John's thread, but why do we ALWAYS have this discrepancy about BIG LAW firms not hiring at Howard.  Of course they do, end of discussion.  Ya'll know my saying "ignorance is bliss".

St. John's is pretty good from what I have heard.  Especially if you come out on top and want to stay in the NYC metro area.

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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2006, 08:15:34 AM »
Yeah didn't mean to take the focus off St. John's but just wanted to clear that misconception up about Howard.

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2006, 12:37:08 PM »
 That's because Howard's graduating classes are only 160.  You aren't going to find a lot, but you'll find a good amt.  How many did you find for St.John's?  I'm sure it's relative.  I work for a T10 Vault firm and they have 2.
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MD, you are right St. John's does not have that many BIG LAW firm associates either. However, this is not a competition between St. John's and Howard. I was simply using Howard as an example. Obviously you are trying to make this a St. John's vs. Howard debate, in the future please stick to the thread. Thanks to everyone else who tried to change my opinion about Howard. However, I still believe that few BIG LAW firms hire at Howard. I must admit that my opinion maybe somewhat ignorant, however, no one has shown me any EVIDENCE that could possibly alter my opinion.

I would also like to thank everyone who stuck to the thread and answered my question regarding St. John's. I am not applying until the next admissions cycle, so I still have time to make a decision. But "thanks" to all who provided me with information about St. John's. It seems like a good school, however, I am not sure it will offer me a job in a BIG LAW firm. I just want to know what decision everyone would make if they had to choose between St. John's or Howard? I am just curious because if howard is as good as all of you are saying then it may be an option for me. Thanks.

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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2006, 02:14:56 PM »
Invigorating discussion.


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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2006, 03:30:03 PM »
That's because Howard's graduating classes are only 160.  You aren't going to find a lot, but you'll find a good amt.  How many did you find for St.John's?  I'm sure it's relative.  I work for a T10 Vault firm and they have 2.

MD, you are right St. John's does not have that many BIG LAW firm associates either. However, this is not a competition between St. John's and Howard. I was simply using Howard as an example. Obviously you are trying to make this a St. John's vs. Howard debate, in the future please stick to the thread. Thanks to everyone else who tried to change my opinion about Howard. However, I still believe that few BIG LAW firms hire at Howard. I must admit that my opinion maybe somewhat ignorant, however, no one has shown me any EVIDENCE that could possibly alter my opinion.

I would also like to thank everyone who stuck to the thread and answered my question regarding St. John's. I am not applying until the next admissions cycle, so I still have time to make a decision. But "thanks" to all who provided me with information about St. John's. It seems like a good school, however, I am not sure it will offer me a job in a BIG LAW firm. I just want to know what decision everyone would make if they had to choose between St. John's or Howard? I am just curious because if howard is as good as all of you are saying then it may be an option for me. Thanks.
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Zach: I was not trying to make this a Howard/St. John's debate.  You brought up Howard and so I was giving you UNBIASED advice.  I do believe my first respond to you focused strictly on St. John's.  And I do believe I suggested you go with St. John's.  So OBVIOUSLY you were wrong!  The next time you are looking for advice you should try to be more polite to those who are taking the time to answer your question.  I jumped in when you damn near gave up on anyone answering this thread!

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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2006, 12:51:41 AM »
MD I apologize if I came across as rude or impolite. That was not my intent (believe it or not). You are right, you did rescue my thread and took valuable time to answer my somewhat vague questions. Thank you for answering my questions with such thoughtful advice.

However, if I feel that you (or anyone else) has the wrong point of view, I will try my best to correct you. In the argument about the hiring practices of BIG LAW firms when it comes to Howard, I felt that your opionion were wrong. That is why I ultimately decided to debate you about the topic. If you are interested in Law School you should get prepared for somewhat rude and impolite debaters. Many law students have a very aggressive attitude and will literally "stab" you in the back after you help them. We live in a society that encourages debates, and different point of views. Once again I apologize if I came across as rude, I simply disagreed with your standpoint. Perhaps I should repair my debating attitude in the future, lol.

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Re: St. John's Law School
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2006, 05:04:37 AM »
MD I apologize if I came across as rude or impolite. That was not my intent (believe it or not). You are right, you did rescue my thread and took valuable time to answer my somewhat vague questions. Thank you for answering my questions with such thoughtful advice.

However, if I feel that you (or anyone else) has the wrong point of view, I will try my best to correct you. In the argument about the hiring practices of BIG LAW firms when it comes to Howard, I felt that your opionion were wrong. That is why I ultimately decided to debate you about the topic. If you are interested in Law School you should get prepared for somewhat rude and impolite debaters. Many law students have a very aggressive attitude and will literally "stab" you in the back after you help them. We live in a society that encourages debates, and different point of views. Once again I apologize if I came across as rude, I simply disagreed with your standpoint. Perhaps I should repair my debating attitude in the future, lol.

This board is not law school,therefore I really don't need you to "school" me on law school experience.  I don't come on this board to have "my guard up" or "debate" someone when they are seeking help with someone's opinion.  Regardless of how you feel about Howard (I have my own issues with the school) the bottom line remains that law firms hire from there.  However the retention of Howard lawyers (like many black lawyers) at big law firms is minimal.  Through this law school process, different opinions are important.  Whether or not you agree with it is a different story.  But to have an "agressive attitude" on this board when you are asking for help  will not get you very far. Maybe next time you should indicate that you are going to debate any responses you don't agree with. In any case, apology accepted. ;)