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Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?

Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2005, 02:56:06 PM »
I think it is important to remember that if you do a good job once you become a lawyer(like any proffession) Thier is alot of room for upward mobility as long as you are a hard worker.    With a degree from a T4 you will have to prove yourself, but if you have confidence in  yourself and really want to be a lawyer then go for ut.

ccorsi

Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2005, 03:45:47 PM »
I'll never understand why so many people have to denigrate others to make themselves feel better. 

Some of you on here telling people not to waste their time going to tier 3 and 4 schools do not know what the F you are talking about.  There have been Supreme Court Justices, master litigators (Cochran), and more Congress members than you can shake a stick at that came from tier 3 & 4.

This tired argument about T 1 & 2 or stay home is so ridiculous that I am growing weary of commenting on it.  I will say this though - go where you get in, give 100%, and don't listen to all the nay sayers.  If you do those 3 things you will be successful.

C2

Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2005, 04:33:49 PM »
I've spoken with a good range of attorneys about this issue--from in-house counsel and BigLaw partners in NYC, to a partner in a medium-sized firm in the midwest, and law professors.  Some have reiterated the overall sentiment of this board: what tier (not necessarily ranking within a tier since that constantly changes) LS you attend can be extremely important.  Others were graduates of so-called "TTTs" and still became very successful.

The most important thing that's stressed is how well you actually do in LS and what you've done to distinguish yourself on paper.  Aside from the tangibles of class ranking and law review, there's also previous work experience (which is particularly important to specialty firms if you have relevant pre-LS experience), your jobs in LS (an unpaid internship with a prestigious judge can be even better than a paid summer associateship), and how pro-active you are about networking.

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Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2005, 05:19:35 PM »
With some of the schools you wonderfuls are going to, I'd watch making fun of the People's College of Law site.  While it's certainly awful, so are all of you.
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No.... People's College O Flaw robs innocent (albeit naive) people of their hard earned money with the promise of becoming lawyers.  Go to their website.  Read their stats.  It is certainly awful, and since I don't mislead people and steal their $$, it is certainly more awful than me.

Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2005, 06:42:23 PM »
LSAT: 162 GPA: 3.79

I get tired of the Tier-bashing too.  The reality is, regardless of our 'numbers,' picking a law school is about more than just statistics.

For me, it's about finding a place where my wife can thrive in her career as well and where we'll be fairly close to friends and family.  We had planned on going Tier 1, but when she got a tremendous job opportunity, a Tier 4 became the best choice.  Does that mean I should just forget it?  No way.  Frankly, I feel blessed just having the opportunity to go to law school at all.

Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2005, 07:00:41 PM »
It might be worth your while to work your ass off first year then transfer up, that's what I would do if I were you.

Good luck with all that.  That's the plan of 99% of 4th tier students.  Like every 1L, they all assume they'll finish top of their class and will have all kinds of great options.  I say if you're not happy with the prospect of graduating in the middle of the class at a school, don't go there.

I always find it amusing how everybody thinks they will be in the top 10% when they finish their first year. Then, by some crazy mathematical magic, completely not understood by any, it turns out that only 10% of the class is actually in the top 10% when the grades come out. I have no idea how that happens...

Jeff

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Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2005, 07:13:21 PM »
  There have been Supreme Court Justices, master litigators (Cochran), and more Congress members than you can shake a stick at that came from tier 3 & 4.


hey now!  >:(

johnnie boy went to loyola. and i dont know how the school fared back in the day, but loyola is up at the top of tier 2 now.

again, who's counting, but lets not mislabel.   ;D

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Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2005, 08:21:07 PM »
Seriously. T3, T4...still ABA approved. If you can pass the bar, you'll have a job. If you do well, you'll have a good job. Example:

Ming Chin (CA Supreme Court): USan Francisco
Johnnie Cochran: Loyola LA
Matt Fong (former California state treasurer): Southwest
Tom Ridge (former gov of PA, Homeland security director): Penn State/Dickinson

So, don't worry. Just kick butt in law school, and you'll be fine!

Kenn

ccorsi

Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2005, 08:23:33 PM »
Good stuff, but I think Johnny C went to Loyola (CA).

Anyway, Thurgood Marshall went to Howard (Tier 3).

C2

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Re: Is going to a 4th tier even worth it?
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2005, 08:30:33 PM »
Seriously. T3, T4...still ABA approved. If you can pass the bar, you'll have a job. If you do well, you'll have a good job. Example:

Ming Chin (CA Supreme Court): USan Francisco
Johnnie Cochran: Loyola LA
Matt Fong (former California state treasurer): Southwest
Tom Ridge (former gov of PA, Homeland security director): Penn State/Dickinson

So, don't worry. Just kick butt in law school, and you'll be fine!

Kenn

tom ridge? good lord.