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Girl taking guy's last name after marriage

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Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #130 on: April 10, 2008, 11:14:48 AM »
I think there are certainly some biochemical predispositions among genders.  For example, a male body's production of testosterone was necessary in the male role of hunter.  This was not the case in the woman as it is OFTEN counterproductive to have the gender responsible for giving birth out hunting violently (I say often because with lions, the females do most of the hunting).

Not to put too fine a point on this, but so much of this line of argument is moot, as 75-85%% of diets of most peoples throughout the world throughout history was based on "gathered" or agricultural foods, not traditional large game hunting. 

Oh, agreed.  I'm just saying that from a purely biochemical evolutionary stance, it may hold water.  I'm not trying to reinforce the idea, but simply give a rationale for why it may have evolved as such. 

Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #131 on: April 10, 2008, 11:16:41 AM »


I said that genetic differences exist, but this fact: a) shouldn't be an end-all, be-all for deciding the roles of parents in specific family situations b) doesn't mean that women are necessarily better parents and c) doesn't mean that men should shirk their responsibilities to provide and care for their children to the very best of their abilities.  What are you still arguing with?

Oi.

I don't really want to go back through your posts.

If that's really what you're saying, then I don't know why you were arguing with me.

I'm pretty sure you were putting a far greater emphasis on genetic differences than I'm comfortable with, though.

In fact, I'm quite positive.

So. Let's go with that.

Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #132 on: April 10, 2008, 11:17:08 AM »


ETA again: WTF, yo? I cant know things/have thoughts about parenting because I don't want kids? PLEASE. I was parented. I've watched friends be parented, and parent. I have young cousins who are more like nieces and nephews. There are children whose lives I am invested in. I'm generally invested in children everywhere growing up in a supportive and healthy environment. For christ's sake. Just because I don't want to squeeze a baby out of my vagina I'm not capable of thinking critically about these things??

You can think critically about these things.  I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

Either way, you seem to not want kids because you don't want to deal with them.
Your point of view may be valid, but it's still seems like it grows out of selfishness

WTF?  Are you for real?  Not wanting kids is selfish? :::bangs head on desk::::

You're too sensitive! I'm selfish! Where's dash to create the triumvirate by being a shrill feminazi?

I should know better than to get involved in this fight, but alas, I'm all too happy to play substitute  ;).

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Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #133 on: April 10, 2008, 11:19:08 AM »


ETA again: WTF, yo? I cant know things/have thoughts about parenting because I don't want kids? PLEASE. I was parented. I've watched friends be parented, and parent. I have young cousins who are more like nieces and nephews. There are children whose lives I am invested in. I'm generally invested in children everywhere growing up in a supportive and healthy environment. For christ's sake. Just because I don't want to squeeze a baby out of my vagina I'm not capable of thinking critically about these things??

You can think critically about these things.  I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

Either way, you seem to not want kids because you don't want to deal with them.
Your point of view may be valid, but it's still seems like it grows out of selfishness

WTF?  Are you for real?  Not wanting kids is selfish? :::bangs head on desk::::

You're too sensitive! I'm selfish! Where's dash to create the triumvirate by being a shrill feminazi?

I should know better than to get involved in this fight, but alas, I'm all too happy to play substitute  ;).

A most welcome addition, my dear.

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Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #134 on: April 10, 2008, 11:19:42 AM »
Right. So you don't respect my opinion. Why don't you just say so?

Word game... whatever.


Not a word game. One is condescending, the other is honest.

Also please see my latest edit.

Oh whatever, I'll reproduce it here:

ETA again: WTF, yo? I cant know things/have thoughts about parenting because I don't want kids? PLEASE. I was parented. I've watched friends be parented, and parent. I have young cousins who are more like nieces and nephews. There are children whose lives I am invested in. I'm generally invested in children everywhere growing up in a supportive and healthy environment. For christ's sake. Just because I don't want to squeeze a baby out of my vagina I'm not capable of thinking critically about these things??

You can think critically about these things.  I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

Either way, you seem to not want kids because you don't want to deal with them.
Your point of view may be valid, but it's still seems like it grows out of selfishness
.  

In most situations that I know of, having kids is also selfish.  In fact, the only way I can think of that being a parent is not selfish is having a kid even if you really, really don't want one and are only doing it for some external reason.

Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #135 on: April 10, 2008, 11:21:04 AM »
Things I love about this thread:

1. "Fairer sex"
2. If a woman disagrees, she's yelling, and needs to calm down
3. Not following the patriarchal tradition makes someone a "dork"
4. Stotan thinks he can win anything, but especially life
5. Using an exclamation mark is yelling? I THOUGHT TYPING IN ALL CAPS WAS YELLING ON THE INTERNET! Shows what I know. I am a woman, after all. Also, a message board discussion is formal writing? Well hell. Even I don't go that far.
6. A woman taking her husband's name makes for a stable family. Has anything to do with being a parent? Makes someone responsible? Really? Hot damn.


Not really.  Knowing what a patriarchal tradition is in the first place, and then not following it just to prove a point, makes someone a "dork."

(I hope you've realized that I am joking by now.  If not, I will continue to act like an idiot, and once you know me better, you can retroactively go back and tell me to piss off.)

Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #136 on: April 10, 2008, 11:22:34 AM »

AAAHHH I was getting called on in Ks! Don't hate me!

that was mighty selfish of you

Things I love about this thread:

1. "Fairer sex"
2. If a woman disagrees, she's yelling, and needs to calm down
3. Not following the patriarchal tradition makes someone a "dork"
4. Stotan thinks he can win anything, but especially life
5. Using an exclamation mark is yelling? I THOUGHT TYPING IN ALL CAPS WAS YELLING ON THE INTERNET! Shows what I know. I am a woman, after all. Also, a message board discussion is formal writing? Well hell. Even I don't go that far.
6. A woman taking her husband's name makes for a stable family. Has anything to do with being a parent? Makes someone responsible? Really? Hot damn.


Not really.  Knowing what a patriarchal tradition is in the first place, and then not following it just to prove a point, makes someone a "dork."

(I hope you've realized that I am joking by now.  If not, I will continue to act like an idiot, and once you know me better, you can retroactively go back and tell me to piss off.)

PISS OFF!

Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #137 on: April 10, 2008, 11:23:51 AM »
Let's come to an understanding so this thread doesn't get derailed.  Human acts are selfish.  Get over it.

Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #138 on: April 10, 2008, 11:24:41 AM »

AAAHHH I was getting called on in Ks! Don't hate me!

that was mighty selfish of you

It's because I don't currently parent anyone except my boyfriend.

Re: Girl taking guy's last name after marriage
« Reply #139 on: April 10, 2008, 11:25:48 AM »

AAAHHH I was getting called on in Ks! Don't hate me!

that was mighty selfish of you

It's because I don't currently parent anyone except my boyfriend.

because he's so genetically incapable of caretaking that he can't take care of himself?