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Summer Before 1L

Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2008, 09:27:07 PM »
I'm not doing any prepping.  I will be working like 20 hrs a week at the hipster coffee shop in town.  Also, I plan on going on tour with a friend's band.  Should be a great summer. 

Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2008, 09:55:34 PM »

I really, really recommend that you do not do what you are planning to do. It's completely useless, and will not yield any material benefit. Everyone I know who did this is at the bottom of the curve.

It is not completely useless for all of the reasons Earthbound mentioned. Will it help everyone? Maybe not, but I don't think it's useless. Maybe the people you know who did this and are now at the bottom of the curve have something else in common other than reading E&Es ( its that whole causation versus correlation thing)- my guess is they felt the need to prep ahead of time because they were nervous about law school and rightly so apparently.

Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2008, 09:58:14 PM »
I think Cabra and I should form the "Geekier Than Most Law School Geeks Club". I can't wait to be done with this weekend, because all my major work will be done and I can start prepping.

I actually have to leave the books out of sight or I get too engrossed and neglect my schoolwork.

Prep Geeks Unite!

I'll join! I've stuffed the E&Es in the closet so I'm not tempted. I think if prepping will stress you out then you shouldn't do it. But for those of us who are going to law school because we like the law, then prepping is fun. Plus the E&Es are a light read.

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Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2008, 06:58:18 AM »
People talk about the E&Es like they're this golden study tool. They're NOT all that good. The Torts and Civ Pro are AWSOME (both by Glannon), the Contracts one is terrible, the Property one is kind of helpful, but the examples are terrible (and some of the answers are either wrong, or the opposite of what my prof taught), and Con Law one makes me sleepy.

Start with the hornbook that's keyed to your text and supplement with an E&E if necessary.

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Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2008, 07:32:59 AM »
I agree. I didn't find all the E&Es helpful. Torts and Civ Pro were great. In fact, my prof recommended the Civ Pro one. Glannon = good. As for the rest... I didn't find them helpful. I read maybe a section here or there. I got the hornbooks my profs recommended instead (for property and contracts) and in Con law, I got the one keyed to my textbook. They've been helpful.
As for commercial outlines, I found some that help, but not really. Its best just to do your own and maybe skim thru a commercial outline to supplement something you don't have or are unsure of. I did however find the Crunchtime series nice to review right before finals. It is simple to read, can be done in a day, and it covers all the major topics.
If at all possible, track down a 2L at your school who had the same prof as a 1L and get their outlines. In fact, hit them up for as much info as possible. Same goes for your profs. And do the practice exams if they give them, particularly if they are willing to look over them and give you feedback. They are the ones grading your finals, remember.
Law in a Flash cards can be useful too, mostly for the quick hypos though.
As you can see, I probably went overboard on supplements, hornbooks, etc., especially first semester. But I used it as a learning experience and have figured out what works for me.
Try buying what you can used, but be careful about getting something that is too old, particularly when it comes to Con Law, which is constantly changing, and Civ Pro because the FRCPs were recently amended. However, even if you get something a little older, you can still use it. Just be aware of the changes. Best part is you can sell them once you're done. As soon as the semester ends, I'm unloading my stash and trying to recoup some of what I spent.
Also, as for summer OL, I wouldn't spend too much of it reading up on the law. Professors have a VERY distinct way of teaching their subjects. You will learn what you need from them. I had some classmates that went in thinking they knew an area of the law and the Socratic method taught them a lesson. enjoy the summer and what free time you have now.

Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2008, 10:17:53 AM »
People talk about the E&Es like they're this golden study tool. They're NOT all that good. The Torts and Civ Pro are AWSOME (both by Glannon), the Contracts one is terrible, the Property one is kind of helpful, but the examples are terrible (and some of the answers are either wrong, or the opposite of what my prof taught), and Con Law one makes me sleepy.

Start with the hornbook that's keyed to your text and supplement with an E&E if necessary.

Well obviously a hornbook would be very useful, but we're talking about summer prep, when we won't know what texts we'll actually be using and therefore won't know what hornbook might be best.

Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2008, 10:19:43 AM »
For the current law students posting in this thread - where do you guys go to school?

Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2008, 11:28:04 AM »
Thanks cantwaitforuva, that was very helpful!  I will get my hands on the Torts and Civil Pro copies.

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Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2008, 01:00:36 PM »
In sort of an ironic twist, even though Michigan rejected me I moved to Ann Arbor for the spring/summer to help with the start-up duties at a new non-profit foundation. Barring some waitlist miracle and scholarship at UVa I'm headed to school at WUSTL.

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Re: Summer Before 1L
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2008, 05:54:52 AM »
I agree about the wildly varying quality of the E&E's.  As everyone has said, the two Glannon ones are good to give you a basic understanding of the subject.  The rest... eh.

Everyone has their own preferences about which type of study aid they find most useful.  After much experimenting, I have also found hornbooks to be most helpful.  What I generally do is ask the professor on the first day which hornbook they think is best (usually I don't have to, upperclass professors will often volunteer which hornbooks they recommend) and then get that, and read the appropriate sections after we go over them to figure out what it was that I was supposed to have learned.  (This is especially helpful in those few classes where the prof still uses the Socratic method, which as you will learn is actually intended to obfuscate, not educate.)