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142? that's an excellent score. what have u been doing in terms of prep?

Just practice questions from barbri and pmbr blue book.  I also bought strategies & tactics for the mbe by kimm walton and steve emmanuel.  It has about 600 released mbe questions and some good tips for how to answer questions in each subject area. 

As long as you keep practicing and review your answers, it's likely that your real MBE will be much higher than the artificially difficult barbri test. 

The review starts today for me.  I'm going to go for a little while and see how it is.  I made a 142 on the test, so I feel like my time is probably better spent with the essays at this point. 


Here's the law on the Multistate Bar Exam - The use of deadly force is NEVER allowed to protect property and may only be used if to PREVENT the commission of a VIOLENT FELONY, such as burglary. 

Under the MBE, this is a classic case of murder reduced to manslaughter by reason of exciting event with insufficient time to cool off.  Horn used deadly force AFTER the crime had been committed so the prevention element is missing.  Also, it wasn't a violent felony because burglary is the unlawful entry of a dwelling with the intent to commit a felony AT NIGHT.  This happened in broad daylight.  they have more than probable cause to arrest Horn right now. 

I didn't really read whatever else was said in this thread, but I disagree that this is a "classic case" of insufficient time to cool off. 

Voluntary manslaughter isn't usually available unless there is a bar fight or another guy screwing your wife.

After reading the Tx. penal code, it looks like they (like most jurisdictions) have eliminated the nighttime requirement for burglary. Remember, the MBE tests mostly on common law, most of which has been abrogated by statute by the state legislatures.

Arguing that burglary, whenever it occurs, is not a dangerous felony is just absurd.  It's an enumerated "inherently dangerous" felony in all felony murder statutes.  There's a reason for that.

Current Law Students / Re: Bar Exam Study Thread
« on: July 04, 2008, 05:08:57 PM »
I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to remember everything for the bar.  The key is to listen to what BarBri tells us about which topics in each subject are tested the most.  For instance, in Nevada, if a real property essay is given, more than half of the time they test on real covenants/equitable servitudes, and half of the time, they test on deed formalities/recording.  Sure enough, when I look at the essays in the essay book, virtually every single real property exam has indeed tested on covenants/equitable servitudes and deed formalities/recording.  So, I'm not going to beat myself up if I can't remember everything, for I know that it's impossible.

Yeah, but it can be daunting at times to look at the outline.

I'm studying for the NV bar too, good luck :)

Oh, you're right: it IS daunting! And thanks for wishing me good luck; good luck to you, too! Just think, in less than 4 weeks from now, our torture will be OVER! :)

Then we get to wait for results!  That will be fun too.  I'm not sure which is worse; studying for the exam or waiting.

Current Law Students / Re: final exam weeks?
« on: July 01, 2008, 09:44:51 PM »
The finals beard is nothing compared to the bar exam beard.

Current Law Students / Re: final exam weeks?
« on: July 01, 2008, 08:43:47 PM »
It's better than having 4 finals in 7 days - trust me. 

Current Law Students / Re: Studying for the bar?
« on: June 24, 2008, 09:43:11 AM »
The bar is offered the last week of July.  I'm taking the NC bar, which is July 29th and 30th.  The multistate (200 question multiple choice exam on 6 subjects) is offered on July 30th for everyone in the country.  The multistate is always offered on the same day.  I don't know what other requirements Ohio has.  The first day of the NC bar exam is 12 essays based on NC state law and general common law principles which everyone studied in the first year. 

While it might be short in time, the 2 months of bar prep seem to be the longest of my life so far.  I've been at it for a little over a month now and can't wait for it to end.  If you fail in July, my understanding is that you can take it in February in every state, but I could be wrong. 

As far as lifestyle, it's like the first semester of 1L all over again.  I'm putting in 3 hours of barbri class time, plus about 4-6 hours outside of class every day reviewing notes and doing practice questions.  When July gets here and barbri ends, I'll probably be putting in about 10 hours per day up until the day of the exam. 

If you can imagine a massive, comprehensive law school exams on all the subjects you hated in law school (civ pro, torts, property, etc.) being offered over a period of 2-3 days, that's what the bar is like. 

With hard work and any luck at all, I'll be done with this exam and will never have to take it again.

The more I study, the more I realize one thing: this is completely f-ing ridiculous.  How is it in any way practical or necessary to give someone a two day closed book exam on over 20 subjects?!?

Imagine a college professor coming into class on the first day and saying "at the end of this course you will be tested on calculus, physics, biology, chemistry, sociology, psychology, political science, french, spanish, japanese, chinese, american history, european history, world history, geography, arabic, religious studies, and rocket science.  This exam will be closed book."

I agree.  For the first time today, I got the feeling that there is no way I'm ever going to pass this exam. 

I  @ # ! * I N G Hate the rule against perpetuities!!!!!

My plan is to go over that sh1t once or twice and if I don't understand just forget it and guess on the 1 or 2 RAP questions that will show up on the MBE. 

I agree that barbri sucks.  I've been pretty underwhelmed by their state essay testing booklet which seems to have "model" answers that are completely wrong. Combine that with the bad customer service and I oftentimes wonder what I am paying $2,600 for. 

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